celine provided a birth time (click chart to view) and writes,
My venus is … opposing saturn…. I couldn’t have a long time relationship because of the saturn effect. I have also no planet in my 7th house…. Am I always going to fail in love & money? [edited for clarity]
Saturn opposite Venus is a challenging aspect, but it doesn’t mean you’re destined to be lonely and bereft. The challenging side of Saturn is its tendency to restrict, block and test. In a stressful aspect like the opposition (a 180-degree angle), Venus’ needs to express affection and feel attractive and loved are hindered. The opposition aspect especially manifests in relationships, so you may continually confront harsh authority figures who withdraw their approval. Saturn is the archetype of the father, and since Saturn is the traditional ruler of Aquarius on the cusp of your Fourth House — which some astrologers correlate with the father — it is likely that you repeat a rejecting relational pattern that started with him. That is, if your father was withholding, you are drawn to men who seem familiar, and who also give you the cold shoulder. (Venus-Saturn correlates with an attraction to older men or men in positions of authority.)
However, there are positives to Saturn: commitment, duty, responsibility, seriousness. Astrologers often say that those with challenging Saturn-Venus aspects find love later in life, because Saturn is the planet of delay. Regardless, it is simply part of your path to master the obstacle course of love, and through confronting this hardship, you become very clear about what you need (and refuse to put up with) in relationship. Venus is the planet of value and self-worth, so put in some serious effort to build up your self-esteem, so that you don’t feel you have to prove your value to a man.
You are currently undergoing your Saturn Return — when Saturn returns to its original position in the zodiac when you were born — and this planet is also opposing your natal Venus by transit. In essence, you are going through a period of maturity in which you need to let go of patterns that weigh you down. I suggest you do some writing to analyze your relational patterns. Through taking an inventory of yourself, you become more aware of what’s holding you back from a satisfying love life.
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Great Post Jeff! So so true!
I have a similar deal with my Scorpio Saturn Square Venus
(also no 7th house) and I’ve had to realize EXACTLY what I need in a person, and stick to it.. I have a smaller amount of wiggle room than anyone I know. Don’t do “opposites attract” and set clear rules and boundaries (saturn demands it!). Also, have to fight off major deceptive tendencies. In fact, whenever I feel the urge to even “downplay” something, I tell the truth to my husband immediately so I can’t build it up. I wanted someone who works for me, and I will work for them and the relationship.
Yes. Perhaps not perpetual failure so much as perpetual disappointment.
My mother had Venus-Saturn square. Her love life was a very sad state of affairs, my heart still bleeds for her.
Thankfully my Venus is trine Jupiter. I strike it rich sometimes but it never lasts (my Venus is also conjunct Uranus/Pluto)
Such is life.
Jeffery,
Nice post. Extremely accurate.
I have this exact placement: venus opposes Saturn and no 7th house. My dad is emotionally unavailable and my love life is dismal at best.
I have had several relationships with emotionally unavailable men but I am working on changing that. I look forward to having a successful relationship someday.
I wish I knew all this then…I had that with my Scorp. Makes complete sense now. Angeline, I envy you. I want my Scorp till death do us part too
I have a friend who has the venus saturn opposition but with venus in gemini.
He prefers open relationships and always seems to be involved with women in one way or another (romantically and sexually), including long-term relationships. So I wonder how it is actually playing out in his chart. I don’t see any delays for him in that department!
I don’t know his houses though (no birth time).
What about Venus conjunct Saturn?
My Venus is squared Saturn and my love life is/was disastrous!
Why? Hmmmm….;)
Sun/Mercury/Neptune in the 7th..
relationships are immensely important to me though I idealize and depersonalize my loved ones till I fall by the wayside, disillusioned and disenchanted.
I have Saturn in 1st opposing my Venus w/in 1 degree in Scorpio in my 7th. I have 4 planets in 7th, so this is not an issue but my father- definitely was never available emotionally (until I was out of the house – then, I learned there are miracles, because we have a great relationship now!!!)
I have, yes, usually been in relationships where there is that brick wall, namely, Saturn, and it creates such dificulties (just had it out this morning over this very thing w/my bou – but at least ended it w/love).
I did read recently somewhere that to get over this saturn/venus confliction, one must just love the saturn person (the cold person). To be honest, this seems true, but I wish I could always remember this!?!
Well, if you have this affliction, there is no “getting out of it” and so, diving right in, this, I avow right here, that I will pledge to TRY with my heart to do this. There will be a possible forgetful day – but I am going to go w/this advise and just see where it takes me? (Maybe just loving them anyhow, sets off some “karma” that we have and also – saturnian energy, in general, is very loyal and committed, and so, maybe it will possibly help this to grow so that the Saturn meets up with the Venus and then there is committment AND love – nice idea huh?!) – opposites can balance (180 degrees?!?!)
@curious, Saturn conjunct Venus would have similar issues, but here’s the difference with conjunctions, as I understand them: although both planets are “unified” (especially when conjunct in the same sign, meaning that their expressions are congruent), there can be a blindness in the native regarding how the aspect plays out. With a square or opposition, one is forced to be conscious, because the conflict is right in one’s face. With the conjunction, it’s like if you have poor peripheral vision, you may not even notice what’s right next to you. There’s more of an Aries type innocence (I use Aries because Aries:conjunction as Libra:opposition), implying a lack of awareness of the aspect’s impact.
Wow, nicely said. As I have the opposition, my ex had the saturn/venus (and jupiter)conjunction; and he WAS obviously unconscious of it. Does this mean that they end up w/less pain about it? Or just as much, but later, when they are finally conscious of it. And if they are not conscious of it – do they not really feel that “lack of love” and inablility to quite reach it quite the same way? What would they be feeling, then, if they are uncounscious of it?!
Jeffery, is this true (see below)? In order to work-out saturn/venus opposition one has to love the cold-person? How does one love someone who ignores their needs?
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did read recently somewhere that to get over this saturn/venus confliction, one must just love the saturn person (the cold person). To be honest, this seems true, but I wish I could always remember this!?!
Well, if you have this affliction, there is no “getting out of it” and so, diving right in, this, I avow right here, that I will pledge to TRY with my heart to do this. There will be a possible forgetful day – but I am going to go w/this advise and just see where it takes me? (Maybe just loving them anyhow, sets off some “karma” that we have and also – saturnian energy, in general, is very loyal and committed, and so, maybe it will possibly help this to grow so that the Saturn meets up with the Venus and then there is committment AND love – nice idea huh?!) – opposites can balance (180 degrees?!?!)
Just imagine PLU making a kite with NatNorth Node and NatCHI and NatVEN. Fantastic pyrmide from the side with support from NatJUP. (NatNorth Node/NatMOO/ NatSUN !!/ and NatNEP. There’s a small link with NatJUP. This NatJUP could potentially be part of a grand trine. I wouldn’t be surprised as the NatMOO is involved. That has got to attract NatJUP to her. So, we have a Grand Trine with NatURA/NatJUP/ NatMOO/ NatMER/ NatMAR. You want more what exactly? Maybe it has enough to contend with the T from NatPLU/NatMOO and NatSUN. NatNEP links these two with a TRI to NatSUN@21_14ARI (for the T) and a SQR with NatMER and NatMAR, Then you have the North Node. Mmm it does place a lot of your planets into the R-hand side of the chart. I can see why now. I’d look out for strong visits, when VEN and SAT comes past NatPLU.
I am a happily married woman. I was in love before marriage. I am a taurus and he was a Scorpio. He also liked me. When i proposed him he acepted partially butdenied later.I need to know why it has happened and will i talk to him in future just as a friend?
Hello there !
Great comments on Venus opposite Saturn !
My boyfriend has this aspect, with Venus in Gemini
(6th house Venus, 12th house Saturn).
Any ideas what this means?
Thanks a zillion !!!
Hey Moira,
I was ready the article and found it very interesting also.
I’m no astrologer but I figure I give my opinion on your boyfriends Venus Oppose Saturn.
•The 6th house deals with his everyday routines,his work,his health, even pets. His Venus is in that house. He finds enjoyment in that house. (He’s probrably good with his hands too) wink wink
• The 12th house is a very subjective, house. All that’s hidden. Secrets, prisons, institutions, etc. Authoritive Saturn is there. Karma.
…..Hope that helps.
P.S. I found out personally its hard loving with Venus in Hard Aspects to Saturn. Lack either Maternal or Parental love.
My ex has Venus in Scorpio square his Saturn in Leo. My Venus and Saturn are in Leo!!
One way to explain that chemistry: I hate that I love you! Smile!
Olivia
HI OLIVIA !!!
I loved your response, and it helped too !
Thanks !!!
1. You’re right on the inability to express emotions due to Venus in Hard Aspects to Saturn. (Lack either Maternal or Parental love).
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My ex has Venus in Scorpio square his Saturn in Leo.
My Venus and Saturn are in Leo!!
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Well ! What an interesting, steaming, passionate combination !
Some thoughts on your synastry:
Your Venus in Leo indicates you’re attractive in an impressive way,
proud, and be it your appearance or your taste, you always get noticed !
You don’t indicate the aspect between your Venus+Saturn: Is it a conjunction, or these planets are in the same sign? Saturn in Leo would be over dignified, too proud and responsible in career, family and social matters.
You’d do anything to protect your loved ones.
YOUR EX’S VENUS IN SCORPIO tends to challenge your above values and patterns.
This is a passionate, possessive Love expression, which would feel threatened by your natural need to get noticed, feel special etc.
By these aspects alone, we can see you’re an extrovert, in love with love and life’s pleasures, whereas his actions would be more “to the point”, i.e. he wants you to be attractive just for him, affectionate just for him, etc.
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Olivia, it seems that your ex bf had a strong impact on you.
You surely had a superhot encounter with this man, but the
conflicts / ego+pride issues were too steamy to be ignored.
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Do you have any enhancing / rectifying aspects ?
I’ve been thinking that squares are not that bad:
A Leo Sun is conceived while Sun is in Cancer. If God created us in full perfection, this square between our time of conception & time of birth indicates a time frame where we improve and develop.
So, Olivia, think of this aspect and if you want it, give it a try with your ex! Next Wednesday, April 14, there is a New Moon in Aries! This trines your Venus and Saturn! Something exciting is in store for you !
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Maybe astrology & synastry indicates our strengths and weaknesses,
and our challenge and trophy is to make things work.
Our main tool is to improve our own faults, and this way we’ll see any problems with our beloved ones disappear.
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Best of luck,
Moira xxx
Marsey + Jeffrey,
You’ve posted some very interesting comments on Venus – Saturn hard aspects.
They say that opposition over time gets better and better, i.e. the initial clashes offer wisdom over time. The person works on stability of emotions,
and eventually things work out.
Some Class A+ Astrologers consider the opposition as second best aspect, right after the trine !
Cheers,
Moira
Hello , very interesting comments to read. I have a Saturn-Venus square in my birth chart (Saturn in Libra, Venus in Capricorn). Empty 7th House (but it’s in Aquarius, and also I am not very interested in marriage itself – remember this is the House of legal union, not of all the kind of relationships) . I’ve had a couple of long lasting relationships in the past, both quite troubled. Well in my experience, I can give a hope to everyone who has this aspect , because what really cleared things up in my mind, and in my life, was the transit of Saturn trine my natal Venus. Beside giving me the chance to understand so many things about my personal way to love, it was also a gorgeous period, very happy!
Wishing you all the best,
L.
P.S: Ops, I forgot , for Moira
That’s a pretty challenging aspect your boyfriend have there – he might experience feelings of loneliness, sometimes not because he really is but because someone who has a certain authority on him (father, boss…) treats him in a way that he perceives as a not proper consideration, making him feel just as a part of the mass, someone like anybody else while he would probably desire a more relevant part (in the family, or at work, wherever this aspect tends to show up in his life). Does he work in the health field?
Saturn in the 12th House also warns us about forced loneliness (jail) , and I assume it is in Sagittarius from what you said, so it might happen due to a excessive naivety. I’d suggest him to stay away from troubles and “crooked” people, especially if his Mercury and/or Pluto are not very “shiny”
Anyway, there is no way to imagine how this aspect might be affecting your relationship without at least checking up his Moon, if it is quite relevant he might have in you a good support. Good luck!
L.
My relationship chart isn’t all that great (I have Saturn in Pisces in the 7th, and Venus in Taurus opposite Neptune in Scorpio). Seems most of my issues have not only revolved around this dynamic of delayed or unrequited love, but my sexual issues are also affected. This I feel was because of my sensual Taurus Venus in the 10th was always being “watered down” by that 4th house Neptune in Scorpio. As you know both Taurus & Scorpio are related to the physical and psychic aspects of sex. Plus I have the moon in Virgo in the 2nd house widely opposed by Mars in Pisces in the 8th. That’s another sexual dynamic.! For the past 10 yrs, I didn’t have any sex since I didn’t have men interested in me. Maybe my progressions have changed, cuz now I have improved my appearance through diet and supplements (Moon in Virgo) and exercise (Sun in Aries in the 9th). So now I have some guys talk to me in public places & seem friendly & interested, also on Facebook where I have my best photos posted, guys contact me often. But I get these guys who are either married, too young, not my type mentally or physically, etc.
But it all just seems like a strange dream…even though I have more chances now, the men I have been more involved with I notice have even worse relationship charts than I do (I’m almost at the point of breaking up with a guy I’ve dated for a year who’s chart hits mine, but his chart is awful for relationships too. He also has Saturn in the 7th in Taurus oppose his Venus in Scorpio in his 1st. His Saturn is on my Venus. But he has some nasty aspects like his Moon squares his Venus and Saturn, making a difficult T-square. So even though we have some good aspects between us, I think we have our own bad stuff that makes potentials less feasible. He praised me so much this past year But then recently he hung up on me out of a selfish argument. His 1st house Venus charm and looks seem to be fading a bit too, though I think his biggest issue is his lack of intimacy with me (because of his harsh T-square, I believe). Its interesting that he is the first man I’ve had a relationship with in these past 10 yrs! And that we have these Scorpio-Taurus, 2nd-8th house connections (either through synastry or individually). Despite our appearances and our educations, neither of us have been married before (He’s Persian, which is considered somewhat strange that he hasn’t been married in his culture). But seems when he did have good relationships, he always had to leave them behind. I think now he thinks if he’s not with me he’ll have better luck with women of his own culture, but he doesn’t know that even so, its a rough road for a person with a chart like his. My chart ain’t no picnic either, so I have different issues to tackle too.
I just still have hope (Venus opposite Neptune) that I find that all encompassing male who relates to me mentally (my 9th house Sun and Mercury in Aries) and one that fulfills me sexually (my Mars in Pisces in the 8th, Moon in the 2nd house). I have a big aspect to fulfill also with that Venus in Taurus- “sex”, with its opposition to Neptune in Scorpio, Scorpio being the sign that rules sex!
No wonder I’ve turned to spiritual practices (Pisces/9th house stellium), lol!