Libra and Scorpio: The glue that fails to hold them together
August 23, 2007 by Jeffrey Kishner
Lust alone can bring people together, but it’s not the glue that makes them stick. Whether you want some easy-to-apply paste or ’til-death-do-us-part cement, compatibility is the adhesive that helps two people cohere.
If Libra likes Elmer’s glue, then Scorpio digs the Crazy variety. Although both brands fasten, Scorpio’s going to cling alot more fiercely than Libra, who’s into forging the connection but not so committed to an everlasting bond.
Libra loves the idea of relationships, but this sign’s element — Air — is not as integral to the love-paste recipe as Water, Scorpio’s element. Scorpio feels his way into relationship, and it is the emotional intimacy that keeps his glue gummy.
However, before they even open up their art supply cabinets, these signs may think they’ve got a chance. Both signs are (traditionally) ruled by the lovers, Venus (Libra) and Mars (Scorpio). Both are associated with the relationship sector of the horoscope (7th and 8th Houses). Scorpio — immediately following Libra on the zodiacal wheel — picks up on the former’s initial impulse to connect and deepens it.
But that’s where the similarities end … and don’t we require two similar surfaces if we want to fasten them together?
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countess- darn it my words are al looped up i hate when i do that perhaps typeing fast is not the way to go for me. lol my words well use your imagination on what they would mean in the best sense or something the wording is all wrong. :\ i dont feel like retyping it. To much time. The end doesnt justiy the means in this case.
sweet existance- it doesnt really matter. Its a waste of effort. anyways whats up with you i cant rembmer seeing you on anything other then this and are libras unfaithful and what do you think is the bestmatch for a scorpio? i have my own thoughts on the matter but it varies.
Dear Phenix/scorp
There are three sides to you problem one is you dont understand a clear concise english. Two is you dont write one, it gives me a softening of my brain everytime i read your posts. Finally you dont understand facts. I keep clarifying again and again but you have a total block when it comes to understanding. There is no aim at insulting anyone, facts are plain facts, i dont like to varnish the truth
As for you sweet existence,
It is never difficult to guess where you might be going either my friend. I am sure you have had a string of failed human relations and with your kind of a psychology it is bound to happen more. You have an unforgiving disposition though i have done no crime to seek your forgiveness. You wanna win the quarrel but you may endup losing the battle. Your arguments are most self-convincing rather than trying to convince me. Your logic falls under the four categories
1. The majority says so hence it is true. (There is a saying 50 million frenchmen are wrong)
2. Repeating the same lie often to validate it as the truth
3. Pointing the buck at the opponent (I mirror your psychology in handling the truth)
4. You presume seriousness in a language where there is none intended
Now dont start rebutting my points to show out your vengeful mentality. It is clear I am talking to a biological adolescent. Astrology claims cancers to be having an immature adolescent mentality of know all cure all and a argumentative mentality
As for Truth handling, do you know the dimensions to the truth:
1. Wordly facts
2. Truth about yourself
3. Metaphysical truths
4. Truth about the others
5. Spiritual truth
Your quotient in all of these is just a zero.
Pls dont give me reams of words to prove your points. I am not intersted.
Thanks dear countess
you are the one taste of fresh water admist all this staleness
sweetexistence
dont worry, a lot of people dont understand a Libra like me, LOL Im a mixed character Im afraid, Ive got an Aries moon and scorpio rising, air,fire and water makes a strange creature
I admire a lot of Cancer women, and no you didnt get under my skin, i was just being catty, its not serious.
Phenix/Scorpio
hi, yes I was in a mood that day when I wrote to sweetexistence
My scales were not unbalanced, I dont get like that, I get frustrated when everyone calls Libra women whores, flirts, cheats….its always been a big misunderstanding, we arnt all the “man stealing” type that we get labeled
rgopi30
People just dont get the Libra Scorpio bond, its funny….. Most are convinced that it is purely sexual, thats funny
There are a lot of real freindships between the two signs, other people looking in can’t see the inner connection, I guess when you get two complex creatures together, a lot is un obvious, there are no two people more secretive then a Scorpio man or a Libra woman, one hides fear, the other hides pain, one is been raised to be nice and polite, the other to help others at any cost, and both get a bad rap on the dating scene …….
rgopi30
Im glad that you have a soul mate as my parents had theirs and very few other people Ive met, My father was a Cancer, and he was very happy with his Scorpio Lady 
They were together 40 years without a fight, finding a soulmate of any sign in this world is difficult and should be celebrated when one does, its probably easier to win the lottery LOL
thank you so much for the link to the picures,
Again thank you, and Happy Birthday to you too
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PHENIX/SCORPIO
HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!!!!
LibraLady – Good that we have an understanding.
Rgopi I actually don’t have a lot of failed relationships nor friendships. But from your bitterness I can tell you have.. with an attitude like that, yeah it would take an optimistic, balancing Libra to handle it. I’m glad your happy, but I still say Scorpio/Libra doesn’t work. I’ve seen it over and over. Be glad your an exception to a worst match. You are so passionate about this match, because it’s your wife, and well probably because Libras are the only signs you respect but not everyone else is going to kiss your ass.
You didn’t write astrology, and you can’t rewrite it so Scorpio/Libra are the best match. You can speak to any professional astrologist and they will say the same thing this match isn’t likely to work. Just accept it.
Rgopi-I actually don’t have a lot of failed relationships nor friendships. But from your bitterness I can tell you have.. with an attitude like that, yeah it would take an optimistic,Libra to handle it. I’m glad your happy, but I still say Scorpio/Libra doesn’t work. I’ve seen it over and over. Be glad your an exception to a worst match. You are so passionate about this match, because it’s your wife, and well probably because Libras are the only signs you respect but not everyone else is going to kiss your ass.
You didn’t write astrology, and you can’t rewrite it so Scorpio/Libra are the best match. You can speak to any professional astrologist and they will say the same thing this match isn’t likely to work. Just accept it. Oh and I’m not gonna go back and forth with you, because its an invalid debate when you don’t respond to all my points I make. You resort to insulting me when I say anything you can’t explain. Such as why aren’t they called the perfect match if they are. I mean if they have this deep magnetic attraction, and sensual emotional bond that blows all other signs outta the water, and changes both lives forever I think every Scorpio/Libra will at least mention this or work harder to make it work. As for the whole attraction, it’s all hype… every single sign has some type of magnetic attraction to them,Scorpios are the most pursued sign period. This doesn’t mean its meant to be with everyone. You mentioned your a father.. idk y. Anyone can father children doesn’t make them more mature. I just hope your behavior with your kids is different from on here. So go ahead and say what you will, but your witty insults just show how much of a man you are. How mad you get over something so petty.. and your a father wow.
I’m not surprised to see you didn’t visit the Libras are unfaithful forum. Or the Scorpio-Libra compatibility. Just goes to show you can’t handle the truth even if it’s right in front of you.
Hey countess, I found this on youtube, check it out LOL, something Aqua girls and Libra girls have in common, the fear factor turns us on LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnihTlVuzQ&mode=related&search
sweetexistence
I get what your saying, but think, who wrote astrology? People…People dont know everything…. Its written therfore it must be so? Good grief, my autstic son doesnt fit the books written on autism, my Libra ex husband was a brutal man, not the light hearted boy that astrology makes libra men sound like and Ive met plenty of signs that were suposedly compatible turn on eachother like hell hounds…. Basically a relationship is not about the sign its baout the character and astrology does not rule mine, Im a person not a “sign” and so are you. Im glad you have a good man, thats great, its not his sign that makes him who he is, its just him. Love him, not his sign….and I wish you all the best, but dont stand on my back to act superior, my back has enough footprints on it
LibraLady- I am not in anyway standing on your back, or acting superior. Just stating facts. If you scroll up I said not everything is written in stone, so it doesn’t apply to everyone hence why I say theres an exception to every worst match.. All I am saying is it’s unlikely for this match work. I am not saying it can never ever ever work cause all have unique charts.. you don’t have to accept it, rgopi doesn’t have to accept it. But it’s true it’s unlikely to work and this is the same with same sign matches well they may have a little bit of a better chance since they’re within the element..sorry that your back has enough footprints. But I take it to mean you have to gather some backbone.. that’s another stereotype about Libras I’ve seen plenty of mainly with the women.. not the men though. You know.. people also wrote the bible many many years ago.. I don’t think thats a good argument, but I won’t argue. I said my piece. It’s great you have this attraction to Scorpios and this unexplainable connection, but I feel you’ll speak in present tense than past about your relations with them which just proves another point.. it’s always a past tense thing people describe. You can’t sit there and say it’s so great, for this reason and the next, cause if it was you two will still be together.
Meant to say past tense than present tense about your relations.
sweetexistence
Let me dig a bit deep here, what if anyone on here is right? What wars will it stop, and what will we gain? Why does someone feel the need to be right all the time? What does it give us other then a short lived “ah ha” and then what? I remember asking my dad this when he was alive (cancer man) What if the Scorpio guy posting on here is right? what if hes wrong? What does that give or take away from anyone? Astrology is also entertainment, not just a life force that dictates our lives… I dont understand the Cancer arguement all the time, I try but I cant see it, why do you have to be right? and what if you were wrong? who cares? Everything wonderful thing youve ever done for anyone in this world would never disapear, people dont love Cancer’s because you are right, we love you because you are real, we notice every sacrifice you make and all the love you give those in your life, noone cares how many times you top someone in a debate, what matters is the life you give others…..This is the rift between a Libra and a Cancer, we dont care if we’re right, only if we are allowed to get in a word, we are both cardinals, but all the Cancer’s Ive known follow the “book” and see life black and white, a Libra see’s the “grey” there is no right or wrong, no better in the debate, just a different point of view, and as many Aquarian friends Ive known have said, Live and Let Live…..When I argue with you, Im having a blast, its fun to debate, but I dont care if Im found wrong afterwards, these are all words, its how I live that counts, I dont steal from others, I dont hurt anyone and Im doing just fine… As for the bad relationships Ive had, maybe some of the blame is mine, I shouldve never trusted. That is the most fatal of mistakes. Just like most Cancer women want, I wanted a husband, a family and a nice peaceful home where everyone felt secure and safe from the rest of the world, instead I got a bad 5 years of torture and deciet, I didnt deserve that. Afterward I spent 10 years alone untill recently when I met someone and fell in love(Aqua man) he asked me to be his wife, we adores eachothers kids we got along great, I said yes, then he split, its been 5 months now…..I didnt do anything wrong. I just loved the wrong men. Im not on here hubby hunting, Im here for a good laugh, and I deserve a bit of fun sometimes…we all do
ropi or whatever you call yourself. I want you to give the extense of resaearch on everything you know good and bad on each relationship. As for the argument or insults or whatever. I noticed theres nothing to be gained from winning or loseing. So its pointless to me. What i seek is knowledge so pass it on and show your versitility. Otherwise its only a one sided thing. I wanted an ohnest calculated conclusion on each. I’ll be interested in what you say.
sweet existance- I’d just drop it. It matters very little. Noone gains anything. Besides it waste to much time. To much effort. Time you could be useing elsewhere. Itll just be a useless cycle until well one runs out of allies or things to say. Just one word that slips on anyones part will be crucial and thats to great an effort if the prize isnt worth it.
Rogop30- i want you to describe november scorpios to see what you come up with.
Nov.5 is my scorpio female. Im a bit couriuos but my time is already stretched thin. I must drop things and or sort them to be more efficient. If i dont have time to sleep thats pretty bad.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PHENIX/SCORPIO
Hope things are sweet for you and your Scorpio Lady
He phenix scorp
November scorps are more discreet than others extremely selfprotective. What i have observed of NOV5 scorps is that they appear to be more open, but their openness may be a smokescreen to get their way. But what exactly is the nature of the problem you are observing. Personally I believe a scorp-scorp relation is precious and should not be asundered, feel free to let me know. Also read my blogposts on the scorpio girls, hope you can access them. It will give you a nice idea. By the way many more happy returns of the day my friend.
HOLY @#$@#!!! Excuse the pase phrase but is there a bee in the bonnet in this thread?!? Aqua girl here, ready to bring my pomposity and provoking ways to the matter. Altho hopefully my libra moon will lend a bit of diplomacy to the situation.
@phoneix/scorp – i commend your new position in the matter at hadn. Interesting to see two scorps do the battle dance only to plateau at mutal respect. I appreciate these power dynamics in an example for us and watching the inante need to just want to investigate to the bottom of an issue at at all cost. Very telling of the scorpo ways.
@rgopi30 – thank you for the compliment. it was highly appreciated. But i will say your post at the top of the page to phoenix was a bit, er, insulting. But you scorps are a bit heavy handed when it comes to attack mode. But i wouldn’t say it was completely unfounded. Just a scorp being a scorp.
@LL – i want to tell you it was and is never WRONG to trust. If we were all a bit more trusting, life would actually be far less painful. Don’t deprive yourself of future happiness because one situation turned out unpleasant. It wasn’t a mistake. It was an experience. And it was worth going through in some sort of shape or form if you find the meaning in it. Like mark twains quote says, “Sing like no one’s listening, love like you’ve never been hurt, dance like nobody’s watching, and live like its heaven on earth.” This is TRUELY the path to bliss. Keep that libra light alive woman!
Oh, and of course you love a good debate, you’re a libra, the scales, the balance, the justice!
@sweet existence – i’m sorry dear but your argument on astrology is actually misinformed and remedial in the information you have received. No professional astrologer would make a compatibility assumption based on sun signs. That would be like a doctor diagnosing you with a cold because you have a sore throat. It’s not an informed decision. Basic sun sign compatibility is actually just “pop astrology”. A professional astrologer might be able to give you a general outlook on what your strengths and weaknesses might be when ONLY taking in to account sun signs, but it would be negligent of them to treat it as fact or to comment that it, even generally, will or will not work. One could possibly say that certain sun sign combinations are more challenging then others but challenging does not dictate failure and likewise, it can also create huge opportunities for strength and success if the two parties get to work on those challenges. Lifting weights is challenging, but it also makes you stronger. Such is the same with these elementary predictions of sun sign compatiblity. A short view point is that they’re incompatible. The wider view point simply sees certain signs have certain traits. Astrology serves to give you the heads up so that you figure out how to deal with them. There truely is no bad combination, even in general terms. There’s just combinations.
In terms of if one person finds their to be a true soul connection with a scoprio and libra, doesn’t mean other scorpios and libras will necessarily realize this potential. And MANY people, of all different signs, don’t put NEARLY the work into their relationships that maybe they should to bring them to success. I even have a pisces friend that blatantly feels that relationships shouldn’t be work, they should be easy. Whether this statement is right or wrong, i will say she’s never had a successful relationship. But then again she’s a pisces and very mutable and is self declared very wishy washy about things and has a bit of a cinderella complex. She’s still waiting for her happy ending. I BELIEVE we make our happy endings. And as gropi very brilliantly pointed out, we MAKE the love that happens to us. It’s not by accident, even if it sometimes is subconcious.
Now as far as scorpios being the most persued sign, I HIGHLY disagree! They may have a strong force to them that draws people in but many people are uncomfortable with that intensity and run frightened for it. Again, each sign has its gifts, even in seduction. The cancers are so nuturing, they make people feel safe. This is surely attractive in seducing a mate. The libras are fair, the balance, the union. Always attractive. The pisces are dreamy and sublime and filled with fantastic fantasies to make many swoon in their prescence. The taureans are strong yet sensual, meeting two conflicting needs at the same time. the leos are passionate and glorius and burn hot as the sun. The aries show up first, fight to the death and live adventuroulsy. The geminis will talk you into thinking you’re in love with them with their wicked charm and friendly ways. The cappys will stand strong by your side and will lead the march. The sags are so jovial and so like to have good time that life is always a party and things are so fun. The virgos are the virgin (in western astrology), the mother archetype, representing unconditional love. But they’re so practical and organize you know you can always rely on one to make a good decision. And last but not least, my brothers the aquarians, not even of this planet, our differences make us interesting, our friendliness draw people close. We are nothing short of inspiring.
But in the end, EVERY sign can get along just fine if we just accept each other and simply try.
@ countess I did not read all that and am not about to.. phenix made a good point, and I agree with it. Say what you will about my argument but I am standing by it. When you’ve read all my posts then you can come back, cause I seen the little bits and pieces and you miss the point of everything I’ve said completely.
Phenix – How did you celebrate your birthday?
Rgopi- blog post? can you send a link. For myself its the most interesting relationship ive had. I’m trying to figure this one out. So far ive basically given her an acurate description of her and her friends life. Spot on but i still cant help but feel an alarm go off when im near her. I dont often feel like anyones got one over on me or can get one over on me. Its like i must trust without reason to trust. It seems to me like were almost battling sometimes and each is trying to merge with eachother. Were even both the same giving person. So ropi have you we scorpios seem to be searching? just a thought, I apoligize for assesing you. Thats courosity for you lol.
Your words won you a friend in short. Odd how that happens yes. Anyways good luck to you. When i have time i’ll do some more research on things. Anyways im sure i’ll speak with you again.
Sweetexistance and libra lady- thankx for the happy b-day. Actually that day was a bad day for me. I had one of those days where you actually stop and realize alot of things. It was an odd experince. It was one of those your finally not busy and You see your past and see your future and whew. I evuantually got out of my down time though i can t stay down for to long.
Phenix/Scorpio
I think Scorpio or not, you are a thoughtful guy with a lot of feelings. I respect that you share that with everyone on here, showing that a Scorpio isnt a dark vampire like creature/hunter that astrologists make you sound like. (not that that isnt fun for girls to daydream about) LOL
Im sorry that your Bday worked out to be a day of thinking instead of having fun. I hope you also thought about how great it is that you “cant” see everything in the future, if you could do that, it would be boring. You’re 19, thats like the coolest Bday ever, I hope you at least let yourself enjoy your cake….To be 19 again…cest la vie Your Scorpio Lady is so lucky with all the thought and worrying that you put into your relationship, hey, isnt it more fun when the astrology says things are unlikely and you are just dying to have fun proving it wrong
Countess,
Thank you, your advice is appreciated. You are a very cool person and I always like reading your comments, I agree with you about signs not being the main factor in attraction, Im actually attracted to guys of all signs, guys are just interesting creatures LOL Its finding that soul mate thats most difficult, but like you said I think I will love like Ive never been hurt, next time. You are right Lady, why do we punish ourselves for trusting when its the biggest compliment to give someone, when a friewnd trusts me, I feel so valued and I want to prove to them that I will never betray that, there just has to be that in some other people too, maybe we make our own fate? I think its worth being a fool sometimes because one day we will all be dead and gone and that would be a hell of a shame not to let the ones you care about know. thanks my freind
Sweetexistence
And dont even get me started on familly, a Cancer is the backbone of their family. Male or Female, all Cancers Ive known, Ive argued with LOL but always liked.
I really like reading your comments, even though I dont always agree. I think you are a caring person that when in love with a guy gives her whole heart to him. I respect that and I know that if you have children, they are loved and raised to be good people because I have never ever met a Cancer that wasnt a dynamite parent or friend
rgopi30
You certianly prove that, thank you for all your helpfull and inspirirng information.
you are a very interesting person, I learn a lot everytime I read your posts on here, you just make it so much fun too, astrology is not just in the stars, I think its in the soul
I visit this site so often because I enjoy people, and I see the ups and downs when I read everyones comments, everyone has experienced so many different things and even though everyone on here really is a stranger, everyone seems to want to help someone else. Have you all noticed this? Just food for thought , never mind the chatty Libra LOL
Phenix – No problem. that’s good to hear. It may not be your birthday anymore but make today or whatever free day you have better than it was.
LibraLady- Thank you. It’s nice to know that. I do feel your on point as a cancer I do everything and anything within my power to hold my family together.
Hey Phoenix/Scorp
I am sending in my link. You will find two blogs both about scorp girls. This is after a lot of research based on my personal experiences of several scorp girls. This calls for a lot of food for thought, dont just read through it cursorily take time and read every line. This is astropsychology.
http://www.sasstrology.net/profiles/blogs/very-attractive-scorpio-girls
Secondly that you can take up linda goodman’s love signs and read up the scorp-scorp chapter works to the dot for couple of young scorps.
Since you are just 19 and just wait till you cross your twenties before you make any commitment for keeps, keep growing in the same relation, dont be a rolling stone. Once you are really mature you can decide on permanence. Most true for scorps since they find that their priorities in life undergoes rapid transformations.
Take the absolute care in scorp-scorp relations since many of them turn out to be starcrossed loves with a lot of emotional damages. In any such relation the male may end up being damaged badly. Most males in their early stages are badly burnt by a girl.
Watch out for the nature example of a widow spider or a female scorpion, the male is smaller and is eaten up in a macabre ritual by the female. The widow weaves a web for its little ones on the corpse of the male. This is the usual case in a highly unevolved example of two scorps. There is tremendous ego magnification and intensity. Avoid attentionseeking and practice tolerance if it needs to work out.
Keeping the spiritual factor aside, psychoemotional evolution takes chronological maturity and the willingness of both partners to grow with each other. Good luck.
PS: Why dont you signup for sasstrology membership and add your photos, i will add you as my friend.
Countess
Wonderful post coming out of a chronological maturity in human relations, am sure you will do well in proffessional management.
Attraction Versus commitment AKA venus versus saturn
The gift of venus is attraction for which you dont need to work hard, remember venus is the mischief maker of heavens with her cupid arrows and her constant infidelity to her husband chiron. The so called love at first sight and casual mention of soulmates and twin souls without understanding the deepest intricacies,
The gift of saturn is what you need to work hard at i.e. commitment which is less interesting and based on psychoemotional and moral maturity, both fo which comes with time and papa saturn rules time itself.
The attraction factor lasts a few months i.e. one venus cycle, commitment is built over several years perhaps even a decade i.e a saturn cycle. Saturn is the golden harvest after the year of sweaty labor. You can flimflam in the office and get a hike not in the agriculture. What you sow is what you reap.
The value of venus is ephemeral and the value of saturn is permanent, granite is ruled by saturn and is most permanent.
KIND ATTN ALL LIBRA -SCORPIO COUPLES (Doubt clarification)
Here in talking about the libra scorp relation as put by most astrologers they take together the MARS VENUS factor of chemistry and deem it as a failed relation. The venus i had mentioned in my previous posts is more apt to fit a pleasure seeking taurean than an astract intellectual libran. This is for unevolved lib-scorps
Here we find the myth of Pluto-Persephone to be the light thrower. Pluto rapes her out of her innocence and her paternal bondage to her mother. How many are the girls of 40s still dependent on their mothers. Not necessarily a physical rape but a psychological one, rather shedding of ones innocence. Here we see the COMMITMENT factor. The attraction is downplayed and the commitment given due importance as in case of evolved libra-scorps.
Persephone is the very basis of fertile nature and her mother Demeter (virgo) the sterile sands. Without the presence of persephone the corn goddess is barren. Coincidentally virgo is a barren sign and not many virgo ladies prefer motherhood, they find it expendable. Persephone is not virgo as it is a transpluto planet an extremely transpersonal, gives you an idea of why librans are most abstract. She definitely is a virgin but again not a virgo for virginty of virgos is more of a myth created for convenience by the greeks which is too detailed to be explained here.
Hence the below inferences
1. As said by the countess, commitment is hardwork in the gym, attraction is what follows the hardwork
2. Attraction without the commitment is more like a downstream swim and is likely to crash into a waterfall. This is the case with POP astrology of scorpio getting along with cancer and pisces and less with librans and aquarius, or that earth and air dont mix and so on
3. What is the obtained easily will disappear easily as well and what is obtained with hardwork has the value of permanence.
4. Even if there be several weakness in a relationship let us say monetary or any other, love obtained through hardwork shall see you through.
5. Love = Commitment + Attraction, Commitment = Spiritual, emotional, intellecutal connection.
All of the above is presuming everyone has a selfless and good psyche without any greed or evil and describes an ideal merger of two selves, but relations are complicated and intricate and bound to fail because of the less than ideal conditions of merger.
rgopi30 – I must confess while i am in my current state of mind. That i often slip into a side of me that is lesser. I countunally have a battle between myself and im wodering how i can end this nonsense.
On the other matter of the scorpio woman i dont entirley agree with all the assesments though i am suprised you used the anology of the black widow i immediatley thought of a prey mantis and the fact that the female devours his head and countinues to mate. I wonder if its indeed possible for the male to come out ahead in the worse case senerio i hate the thought of loseing out. I hate the thought of being defeated in th way desribed by a scirpio woman. Though i must confess to that i am entirley interested in november scorpios since my female is a novemeber scorpio. selprotective so does that mean she is not as self sacraficing as i am? I do notnow ill haft to keep notes if at all possible and due research on that matter of many different things. I have found a few that might interest you ill send you a link when i can. I especially like the one on dantes and explaing te different scorps. Between our birthdates. I myself fall nder te first dante. Alright thank you for your time and it was interesting to read that blog. But i ma become obsessive and research all i can. And im couriuos did you hear that there is actually fourteen signs but there are oly twlve months i cant remember the fourteen i think it was a spider but the 13 is ophiecus and yes i prooll y spelled this wrong well i must return to my test. have a nice day.
rgopi30 oh and what are your views on virgo i find them interesting and im actually been intrugued by to of them on is around me often.Sag girls are just as interesting. well back to boring work
very interesting discussion. Attraction and commitment are influenced by so many factors that it’s not just how hard you work at something it’s the most tiny nuances that affect how you feel, think about someone and how you work, act, live with someone. But working at a relationship is important if you want it to develop provided that you are working in the right way. For example you could be working really hard to make gold out of lead but without the right ingredient it doesn’t matter how hard you work it will not succeed.
A lot of time is spent thinking about whether or not a relationship is ever going to work, doubts arise and the overall goal needs to be visualised in the mind’s eye to see where you want it to be. If it is not right for you it should end. Unfortunately the old adage that love is blind comes into play here and affects reason.
Libra lady has a great point about the shades of grey. I had never thought about it like that before. Only black and white no in betweens because they cloud vision, hearing , taste, touch and smell. life or death is worth more than right or wrong.
The countess is right about the zodiac as a whole being a unity of integral parts. Without one everything disintegrates. It is the cosmic foodchain.
The bitching is inevitable in a way but shows a fixity of thought and feeling. The do or die attitude can only lead to a limited number of outcomes and that is necessarily annihilation of the ego and society around you. That is not a path I would choose but feel free to do so. The scorpio female is more deadly than the male but does that make her better? No just different relation of energy and power.
And yes intensity of the scorpio is not always an attractive thing to some people although it cannot be ignored..
He phenix/scorpio
The inward battle of scorps is inevitable for scorp psyche is the battleground of the dichotomy of existence, light vs dark, good vs evil and so on. Virgos are a different ballgame altogether and shall discuss it someother time.
Being a graduate in biological sciences I can give you two more scorp examples i.e animals that fall under the scorpio sign
1. KING COBRA: The male is more powerful than the female and if he were to encounter the female coils around her abdomen and feels the abdomen for presence of any eggs, if she has been fertilised before, he gets into a pang of jealousy and repeatedly bites her and finally tries to eat her though she is too big and he spits her out. She is finally dead and pregnant
Scorpio mothers are wonderful at protecting her children. The female king cobra lays her eggs during the rainy season and on a mound where the water does not reach. The hatching takes three months during which she starves, once the hatching commences she hastily leaves because she is a snake eater and may end up devoring the hatchlings. That is what i call maternal solicitude.
2. Octopus: The male dies a month after mating and the female lays lakhs of eggs and protects them. She starves during that period and to satiate, she eats her own limbs, finally she succumbs to predators due to her physical weakness, but by that time the babies are hatched.
Two examples of scorp female behavior. Scorp males have the ability to become truly spiritual, the number of females i have studies evolve laterally from one primordial example to another and using the powerful ego factor. Males can evolve vertically and in a relation such as this the male suffers because he is more selfless and virtuous.
To protect yourself, take care not to be immersed in the relation giving up your entire self identity, scorps do just that. It is not a matter of achievement to sink into wells of emotions rather madness. It may end up being starcrossed.
Again to repeat Karma is a deep ocean which cannot be fathomed by casual onlookers or astrologers, it is purely a bookish approach, only two people immersed in such a karma can truly write their karmic biographies such as a libra-scorp or a scorp-scorp relation etc
scorpio male,rgopi30 and phenix/scorpio
the female scorpio is always written up as a femme fatal. Ive seen scorpio women behind closed doors crying their eyes out because they beleived in someone that cut them to peices inside, to make a woman that deadly, as everyone puts it, there has to be a lot of pain first. My mother raised me to see the “grey” and taught me not to be vengeful untill I knew it was deserved. As far as protective LOL (noone could get near me) Mother bear
When a Scorpio woman loves someone, its pure… If she hurts you, you probably asked for it because she will think about it before she strikes, she’s called me cruel for not giving a person a chance to make things up…She is the fairest person Ive ever met
rgopi30-so it would seem both our realationships are a rarity. EArlier my mind ws working at a higher frequency but i guess my mind for now will do. I think you have touched on something i feel is completley true from my study of a scorpio woman. In a sad way it maks e dissapointed in another way it amuses me.
The fact that it really does seem that a scorpio male des seem more virtous and self sacrifycing.Though i tink maybe there masks are just better. Id explain why but i want to think more on it. I’ve also noticed that scorpio wemon seem more inclined to be social and sad and hide these things behind masks. There worse at secrecy then most males i believe this to be true. I also have conflicting feelings on wether i beleieve a scorpio wan can love as a scorpio man. Or is i tthat she to must be evolved? She could jst as easily be swayed to move in another direction she wouldnt realize it and feel guilty but she wouldnt be like scorpio mals who seem to brood over losses. Oh one more thing i was woondering if you’d mind mentoring me in a way. I am one who likes to learn and gain more as timegoes on. Besides if i can change for the better n some way ill take it as a victory. I dont have conflictions of switching from this weak grey lizard to the phenix or this eagle that symbolizes us so well. The lizard comes around slot more then id like at this point admitivley i have secludded myself and seem somewhat withdrawn. Thank you for your time Ropi.
Libra lady finally i can say this and someones will get it. Thank you very much.
Did you ever think that us scorpio males are this way because we to have been torn to pieces. That we to are but grains of sand and specs of dust aginst a backdrop that was once a beating heart. It was there and barren at first and then torn and wore away. Then ice grips or heart and shrinks its capabilities. One ba person can damage so much and we scorpios are the most emptional beings and none would ever know because we are cold. We make ourselves as ice to survive the pain. We build or mask and stand poised behind our tounge. Stand ready nd calm becuase dissapointement has done much to us. And yes i know they cry think male scorpio tats what i do except for a a breif vary there are many simularitites. see shes fair as a firend but remember that scorpios hacve a wayof painting the others as the bad guy. even if they werent. I must also point out that i dont think scorpio love is as pure as others beleive sometimes it is possessive and almost unhealthy that wewant so much for one person that it could destroy ius to give so much. At the momment im carry three convos so my mind is spent but ill be back another time later libra lady
Phenix/scorpio
I didnt mean just the ladies, Ive seen guys torn up too, I just did’nt mention it because most guys are so macho and wouldnt want to admitt it LOL
Ive seen a lot of people suffer, different signs and we all have a different way of dealing with it…..I dont really know whats wrong with being possesive, people use that term as if its something bad,I think it depends on the degree of possesiveness or if the love is mutual. A woman will never complain if she feels possesed if its in a gentle way, the gorrilla grip of my ex made me flinch, but had he been loving and kind then possesive? who knows? I hated his indiference more then his possesiveness,there is a difference between possesive and controlling too, he tried to control me and dont get me wrong, I like to be free, but deep down inside most women, whether they admitt it or not, they want to be held with passion……Not just hear the pretty words…I think that as long as you love her phenix, and you ask her things, like what she wants to do, things like that,and especially how she feels – include her in your life and make it clear that you expect the same,
and dont take her “nothings wrong” without probing for more things will be a lot easier. Men have to be clear too, there is a way of being in the drivers seat without making someone feel small….You just have to talk more everytime you’re together, talk and talk and eventually the 2 of you will merge into a one…hope that makes sense. Tell her when you’re hurt, then she wont be afraid to tell you about hers…how could that be bad? Thats where the bond that holds you together gets stronger, right at the heart
scorpio male
You are right, you cant tuen lead into gold without the right ingredient, I think the ingredient is thoughtfulness..
Im glad you mentioned the grey area, if you look deep inside of yourself I’ll bet thats where you’ve been living, in the grey area….You do things your own way, thats not black and white, thats the gold you were talking about, Life is a grey area, if you really look its a big fog of mystery and some idiot hands you a sheet of paper with rules on it, then you can either toss it aside and create your own path or follow it…I think you already know that though
Hey libra lady/phoenix/scorp male
Fine line definition of words
1. Jealousy in a romantic relationship when you feel your partner giving the other person attention or glances or any overt or covert gestures. It may be false it may be true. The example is that of the king cobra above. It is intrinsic in some animals and not in others. This is basically for the suspicious type of folks.
2. Possessive is what all of us are to some extent where we have an exclusive claim on the time of our mates, sometimes it can be smothering
3. Control is where you simply handle every nuance of a person’s life and nitpick and nag make him or her lose the self-identity.
All the three are torturous
ADAGES TO BE FOLLOWED:
1. A healthy romantic love is not for the selfish or weakminded, above three characterstics are the hallmarks of a emotinally and socially unhealthy individual
2. The ability to trust and to recieve trust in gradual wholesome degrees undermines jealousy, possesions or control factor
3. When you overtly or covertly control a person you are gonna lose the person too soon. The control factor is a parental emotion enacted by adults in romantic relations. There are several fold examples of an adult of 30 still emotionally dependant on his parents of 60s this is more so in the case of girls dependent on their mothers. They go about idolising their mothers like the madonna. This is too much in India. This parental control factor enacted through the daughters and upon the romantic relation is one of the main causes of divorces. The daughters unconsciously enact the parental behaviour and psyche and screw up the marriages. Why I mean the daughters is that women are more apt to being programmed than men are.
4. If you truly love someone, set her free, if she comes back, she is meant for you, else she was never meant to be.
Phoenix first find out, if she thinks about you in your absence as it makes the heart grow fonder else it is just nothing.
You hit the nail saying scorp girls can be rolling stones and the guys bemoaning the loss for even several years.
Scorp girls are narcisstic. They love to attract unwanted male attention by giving out subconscious signals and are not the most morally faithful individuals.
First thing that determines the scorp girls attraction is the bloody LOOKS factor. She goes for looks. Forget the hogwash about scorps penetrating the soul. Looks determine the primordial attraction, and she needs the carnal turn on before any intellectual or emotional turn on. She thinks with her genitals (SORRY for the graphic statement). Emotional thinking and carnal thinking predominates a scorp girl rather than any intellectual process, the gut instincts predominate. Any rationality is a smokescreen, she is frenzier than a great white having smelt blood.
They like the sort of guys you see on the screen, clean shaven mama’s boy with a status and whom she can be proudly seen with. They know the truth but do not act on the truth, these girls are more concerned about the social vanity than by their heart’s dictates. One of the reasons they get mixed up with showy leos or or attractive aquarian males, though a disaster, many a scorp female has been deflowered by an aqua male. I speak from experience.
Ah ah ah Rgopi – you’re waxing a bit pompous now brother towards your female scorpio brethren. And you’re contradicting yourself as well.
Don’t get me wrong, my experience with scorpio females has not been that of wish company i would like to keep. Not to say there was particularly anything wrong with them (Altho there was this one, but i dont hold her representative), but just women of my own personal taste.
But is it possible that your assesment of them is just as misunderstood as the class of scorpio in ites entirity? And you must beg my pardon but i’m going to blast you on your assesment of women in dependancies to their mothers. If anything, and i can only speak for western culture as i know easter culture places entirely different aspect and values SPECIFICALLY one women, but on this side of the world i find its the MEN that have not only behavioral programming (aka issues) with their mothers AND their fathers. The need to seek out the madonna in a mate and the need to overcome their fathers in some sort of alpha male stand up. TO say that most western relationships for men are quite Oedipal is an understatment. At least in my observation. The women generally have CONFLICT with their mother, not to overcome her as the men do with their paternities but to free herself from the image, the control, the nuturing, etc. To make her own decisions and be LESS dependant. YOu’ll always notice that mothers and daughters fight FAR more than mothers and sons as the sons usually hold their mothers upon some pedastool (that wives aren’t even given the same benefit to) even if she’s as corrupt and ruthless as a nazi general.
Now as far as scorpios women’s faithfulness, wellll, that’s territory that i think all signs should stay out of. You could REASON that due to certain personality traits and tendancies that certain signs would be less faithful. That doesn’t mean that that particular logic stands true. It may just be rationalization. I’ve hard specifically that aquas are not faithful, due to our erratic natures. But I find other aspects of our natures make us quite faithful, specifically our fixed element, our unwillingness to think one of very complex decisions was incorrect, or even, just because there’s far better things to do than cheat to us, the formual just doesnt equate to adequate results.
Precocious, maybe permiscuious as the scorpio female MAY be, STILL does not dictate infidelity.
And just because I myself am aquarian, i will full on admit my argument to this point is biased but what i’ve found is that 1.) aquarians are NOT the proper man any woman would want to take home to mother. He’s out there. more likely to stick his foot in his mouth and offend. COmpletely oblivious to tradition or polite conversation. He does not dress accordingly. HE does not behave naturally. Quite honestly, he’s an accident waiting to happen!
And yet, the brilliant compleities of the scorpios LOVES this almost taboo in a person. They admire it. They are fascinated by it. Aquas are oddballs to say the least. We’re strange and unusal. And scorpios gravitate towards this because they too know they’re different. But there’s also a sweet tension and a sweet realease in it. Aquas can help lighten up a scorpio so everythings not so life or death (literally) and lend some objectivity to things that tend to sink you into the darkness. And yet your nature is to bring us there so we understand, of that which we’re curiously willling to go, even tho like persphone, we don’t wish to stay forever and want to eventualy return to the light. IF anything i think the mythology of persophene and demeter and hades, persophne reminds me more of an aquarius. Curious and bold and yet even in the face of an unpleasant situation, loyal to her word and not willing to victimize herself due to circumstance but to find the light and good of it all, in which she accepts her title as queen of the underworld and also the bearer of crops in the above world when she returns. She knows her part to play and she does it because it benefits all.
A scorpio man or woman is a complex creature. But don’t rule out the equal complexities of other signs.
* that should say women NOT of my own personal taste. just for clarification.
rgopi30- In my ohnest assesment of scorpio wemon i ohnestly believe in what you say that they are indeed vain and whish to show off what they have. Though i do also think this may be because theyve been hurt. Couldnt a previous confliction be the cuase for ow they are. For example what if she dated a guy she thought had a very good soul but was not very attractive. He could have hurt her and she could have countinued a pattern. From there mabe she became bitter and decdied i may as wel be vain. Realizing that most guys are weak to sex she could very use that as a bargaining chip and so the pattern continues with self exploration till ses been sexually indulgent. From there she finally secides to look on the isinde of a male. I believe that scorpio wemon arent so adept at seperating there emptions from what is right and wrong or at least going against it. Us scorpios do seem to have a problem seperating ourselves to look at our relationships from the outside. Ive met a scorpio that was interesting she was the bestfriend of my ex. She controlled her friend but not only that she seemed to have a problem with scorpio males. She liked one of them but he was so bad to her. So after awhile she chased and chased and then she just sorta of took it. All the bad and she new it was wrong becuae i ust to listen in on her convo threw the phone by muteing myside. She had problems with seperation. Then theres my scorpio no witch gives off your exact thoughts of vanity. I do love her but i doubt shed look at me the same if i werent the way i am. Though her previuos was nothing in comparison he was not very attractive. Hmm contradiction but i must say she love showing me off. Grabbing onto me when other people are around. telling people im a great signer that i could kick there boyfriends asses and such. I find it annoying sometimes. She to feels the need for ation for no apperent reason. She doesnt like this one guy and is annoyed bye him but she still finds the need to flirt with him. Me being me at first i started flirt with others butgrew board. So this time i point blank was like if you guys are gonna talk like that then got out on a date then this weekend. She looked murderous but my point was clear enough i beleive. She also repeates something that i find most interesting. She says that she wants somone to take care of her. The guy in question actually has nothing but money. I havent pointed out my thoughts but i will wait. In a way i think its wrong that im study her so closley in other i beleive it is wise. She also did something else that really annoyed me. See in our school theres a tuarus that i know who sleeps with just about any girl he gets his hands on. It stars out with casual conv and then there hanging outand then the story goes from there. Though he to is not very attractive it annoys me to an extent. My scorpio woman also likes shwong me off to family and friends and lights up when they tell her im sexy or gorgoues etc etc. Ad she says she misses me whenever im away. though she doesnt like clean shaven men. But from what you desribe i hit the bill right on on what she wants. Though i must admit even for a scorpio i am tempted for something else shes attractive but phew its hard when you know you can get anyone. I must admit it diturbes me to think she only wanted me for my looks at first. She claims to have likd me before hand but then she saw a pic of me with my shirt off and all of a suddeen shes drooling over me like some annoying school girl. Oh and i have recently done some study one the matter of scorpio scorpio. I am saddend that tehr information is always less then every other relationship perhaps it is time to draw conclusion and write more on the matter. Ill keep you posted if i find any other things interesting about scorpio wemon. Oh i aso thought youd find this very interesting. Most scorpio wemon have a few scorpio males around. That the have had a crush on or maybe still almost like there keeping them on hand just in case.
ropi countess- My thoughts are more that a woman is more dependent on her father and the male is more dependent n the mother unless they hate both or either then they most likley try to get away. I do agree with countess that at least here that the father often has trouble with the son and the motehr has problems withthe duaghter. Oh i also haft to ask i met someone wth a january 30 b date and she is the most stimulateing person ive ever talked to she also happens to be my scorpios best friend. I guess its good that i dont find her sexually appealing but her mind is fascinating. I talk to hr for ohurs . I talk to my scorpio woman to but sometimes the convo isnt as interesting. I hate ti say it but m yscorpio woman thinks ill get board of her. Is that anotehr way a scorpio scorpio can end. Sorry at this point im only thinking outloud or typeing rather.
Phenix/scorpio
I agree with you about the gender roles of parents and children. A mother can scar aq son more then his father could, a father can stifle a daughters voice at a young age….it can be the other way too. A girl can see a loving father and place value on herself while a son can have a close bond with his mother and learn to look at women in his life as people other then monsters…..its interesting how our childhood can shape our opinion of ouselves and others….There are a few exceptions though, some peoploe just raise themselves in a way and take their own path….That cant be easy
And some people need to learn how to spell LOL like me
rgopi30
Many Libra women find themselves with Aqua men too…..Its funny, Ive noticed Aqua guys with Libra, Scoprio, Aqua women and Cancer women…..Isnt that funny? An Aquarius guy enjoys the art of seduction but rarely sticks around to finish the game……. A woman is left stunned “what did I do?”
rgopi30- I have interst in becoming better at things and i also have quesions for you on a more personal level that no even i feel like disscussiong but you being a scorpio older then me itsthe only logical place to go t bettter understand more that and it might not e what you think it will. fu2right10@yahoo.com i apologize for the yahoo i had it created for me in middle school
to everyone
I was thinking of wriing something orather the thought crossed my mind that what if scorpio was a secret duality sign. My reason for saying this is because all scorpios large conflicts within themselves. The mind versus the heart the emotions versus reasons. Is it possible that this cold be. Scorpio has three signs already but i get the image of chiron pointing his bow at the scorpios heart. Beneath that shell is the one of the only things a scorpio covets closleey to itself. The scorpios mind is sharp but the heart well the heart is not.
Phenix/scorpio
I can really relate to your last description about the internal conflict….That was too real and very spooky. You gave me chills. It might not be a simple trait that can be pinpointed to just the Scorpio sign, this might actually be an experience thing…A person has to see hell to feel it, its the same for joy. We become our own enemies when we let it change us into people that steal from ourselves because we only let the joy in half way…could be becuase we are so used to pain that we cant see past that…. You did hit a nerve and Im still absorbing it LOL
Sorry Phenix, I guess I should mention that I was reading more then your words, I could see the picture that you were trying to express….sorry, I do that, a few words and I get a lot, do you realize that sometimes when a person writes something, they actually let a bit of emotion through, a few weirdos like me can feel it….LOL
I avoid Stephen King novels for this reason LOL, you wouldnt beleive the sicknes that isnt written
Libra lady if you like that come join me on gspoetry. a
Ropi- i now beleive wholehardley that scorpio wemon are indeed self preserving and are very skilled in useing people. Evidence is evidence. :\