Why are Scorpios so sexual?

March 5, 2007 by Jeffrey Kishner  


ScorpioScorpio is ruled by Pluto. Mythologically, Pluto is the Roman counterpart of Hades, Lord of the Underworld. However, there is more to Pluto than textbook mythology. The astrological Pluto governs all that is hidden and taboo. Whatever society deems unacceptable gets shoved aside, either into the unconscious or the red light district or other disreputable parts of town. The “underworld” is not just Hell, but the dwelling place of people who need to work or live outside the light of day.

Religion

Sex, for better or worse, is taboo … or at least most types of sexual activity. The Church only approves of sex within the context of procreation. Sex outside of marriage, sex between two people of the same gender, sex between minors, sex between a minor and an adult, sex between clergymen and ….

Words and deeds are, of course, two separate things, as we see. But nonetheless, many people in power want to suppress sexuality, unless it is sanctioned by the ChurchState.

Death

Pluto also rules death. Sex and death are intimately related. The French call the orgasm a “mini death.” In sexual union, there is a death of the individual, when two beings dissolve their ego boundaries and become one emotional, spiritual unit. The act of procreation itself is essential for the survivial of the species. Without sex, our race will literally die. In addition, humans often feel the biological imperative to have their genes carried along future generations. There is an illusion of immortality when you know that, even when you physically die, a part of you is carried along by your children, and your children’s children, and so on.

Archetype

Psychiatrist Stan Grof conducted LSD research and found that participants had different types of psychedelic experiences. He categorized them into BPMs, or Basic Perinatal Matrices, which he correlated with stages of the birth process. BPM III relates to the stage of contraction of the uterus. It is a life or death struggle for the fetus … the most intense part of birth, no doubt. During BPM III LSD experiences, participants had inner experiences with the folowing themes: “titanic fight, sadomasochistic experiences, intense sexual arousal, demonic episodes, scatalogical involvement, and encounter with fire.

Sounds Scorpionic, huh? Philospher and astrologer Richard Tarnas, in tandem with Stan Grof, associates BPM III with the astrological Pluto. This archetype is deeply ingrained within the collective psyche. It appears to be greater than “culture.”

Astrology

Scorpios are intimately familiar with the Plutonic realm. Sex may be a fight against death, an effort to die a little death, or a desire to overcome death. Either way, Scorpio’s planetary rulership goes a long way to explain why this zodiac sign is so sexual.

Comment below: Share your intense, Scorpionic sexual preoccupations. If you dare.

Related post: The Astrology of Kink: the Scorpio Taboo

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93 Responses to “Why are Scorpios so sexual?”
  1. Phenix/scorpio says:

    Libra lady- Bits huh :) (i would put lol but yeah im not luaghin grining maybe :P ) Anyways what is it that you mean with the meatal dog and such my courosity gives way in this case of teaseing lol oh well im sure there will be other times to make jokes.

  2. Phenix/scorpio says:

    one more thing whats the significance of the horse maybe ill look it up.

  3. LibraLady says:

    I was born during year of the dog, Each year also has its own elements, Mine is metal. Dog is equivelant to Libra, Horse is eqivelant to Gemini according to the chinese zodiac, I did it look up and a Scorpio/Horse combo makes a very complicated but head strong person with a lot of chalenges to face but usually perservere… Its better to be a male horse then female because the males have a better love life :) If you go to chinese comptibility test (google it) and type in your birthdate you can find out a lot about your sign, some sights will also show you how your western and chinese sign co-exist…. And yes, the strength of the metal jaws might make you think again before tesing a metal dog :) One sight said I was a red tiger born in the white dog year (some sights are confusing)

  4. blakgoat says:

    still waiting for scorpio woman………

  5. RowdyRaven says:

    Hhhhmmmm… Why indeed are we scorpios so sexual. It is our destiny I suppose.

    After reading this segment….naturally being a super agressive femal scorpio-I was attracted to it….you know anything sexual gets me going even that much more….I am even more convinced that individual type of scorpio, personality, and forces around us play the deciding role as to the varying degrees on how each of us feels and the level of intensity.

    We are very complex beings and the answer could not possibly be simple now could it?1
    The differences in us make the difference. We each have so many similarities-yet as many post as there are-none matched mine. Because each is unique with shared traits and varying levels.
    I saw one post where someone mentioned a lot things I could totally relate to, except the fixation with bottoms and totally submitting in the bedroom.
    I bet if someone asked each of us to choos only one word to best sum up our own description of our selves-most would have a different word. All similar, but different.

    Who ever posed this blog question did the right thing, there is no one great answer….with us scorpios everyone on them is great and unique.

    I one had a scorpio man….he was the shyer type. We did not work well together. But he helped teach me some valueable lesson about myself….It is the super agressive types in life that I seek. I just did not realize that unitl I met him.
    I would love to try a super agressive scorpio male on for size sometime, but in the meantime, my latest conquest is a very stubborn bull headed taurus. They do not have the depths of intensity in the bedroom, but that damn sure do have the stamina, drive and senusality. Delicious! Damn that man is fun in the sack.

    Have great big goround with a capricorn man once too. He had intensity, depth and drive, but lacked stamina and the connection aspect did not seem very important to him….or maybe he fought against it-its was good but off beat….like he wanted to go there but refused to let him self go that far. Kind of puzzling really.

    I have a saggitarius girlfriend who we get along marvelously together. We are not lesbians in case any one wanted clarity, just really good trusting friends. And we had a hell of a great vacation earlier this year-we even managed to find us a super sexy taurus man and shared him all night and day and night. We will have stories to share for years over that fella. Oh the adventures we went on. And the new secrets we shared-such wicked good fun. We taught each other many new things, learn and experienced all sorts of new things together-completely uninhibited. Our friendship and levels of trust in one another has grown tremendously.

    Cancer men. I love to hate these guys. Somehow I have managed to let them weasle themselves into my life more often that I want to admit. Yet for me it never works out. I have come to undestand why. It is thier overtly emotional side. I percieve it as a weakness-and I am all about strength, so I loose respect for them and there goes any hope. Yeah that one really is my fault. But i know what I like and that is not what I seek-so then end is inevitable on that front.

    Libra men are quite scrumcious too. The have that intensity and depth, sensuality, but I feel they lack the stamina and there is something about the feminie aspect to them that does not sit well with me in the light of day. Still I like them a lot-they are damned creative.

    Leo men. Hmmmm. Too arrogant for me. All those mirrors are there so he can look at his self….not his lover-LOL That just aint right.

    Aries men are good for while, but I get bored with them.

    If I had any others I can say I knew that.

  6. LibraLady says:

    RowdyRaven

    Your comments made me grin…
    Have you ever tried a relationship with a Capricorn guy? From what Ive been reading on other posts, those guys are wild men. LOL
    They also like to be hurt….sounds like it could be a great match for a Scorpio woman :)

  7. LibraLady says:

    and if you et a hold of an Aquarian guy, hurt him good for me okay? thanks :)

  8. blakgoat says:

    hey thanks for the shot out Libralady.
    @raven
    another scorpio with an ego, what ever happen to dark mysterious and intuitive.
    with all that said, what are u really trying to say raven.

  9. RowdyRaven says:

    LibraLady-LOL, I love your comments-way to good. No Cap guys, dont seem to tolerate me to well-and I don’t really get them. The sex is not bad, but it is that whole connection thing, its just gotta be there or its not complete. Its like they can focus thier wild side appropiately or something.
    Well, you know what they…..a certain amount of pain is pleasure! Ah never say never, ya never know-so I wouldn’t rule them out.
    As for the Aquarian…..he might like it too much!

    Blakgoat-are you a capricorn by chance? Dark, mysterious, and intuitive does not mean shy and passive. Ego is as ego does….my intent was not for it come across that way-but if If you think that is what it is, so be it.
    Fun…..it is all about fun and finding out what please you or not. So what pleases you blakgoat? Do you have a dark side you might share with us….please….do tell. Have some stories to tell that might enlighten us?

  10. blakgoat says:

    you know it, capricorn 36 male.

    im as dark as they get, but you’ll never know.

    what pleases me, you too young for that.

    my stories, strictly for the grown and sexy.

  11. the countess says:

    aquarians and scorpios are notorious for their only traditional shared aspect…they both get SUPER weird in the bedroom. And both have the fixiation to see it through. Seee it through tto what is a whole other question but . sexually, you’ve got something anyone would talk about. Between scorpios intensity and inante sexuality and aquarius experimental mentality and penchant for the “un-norm”, these two can come up with some seriously wicked and wild times.

    …just thinking about it is exciting.

  12. RowdyRaven says:

    Countess…..I did not realize that…..that is very interesting. I will have to remeber that next time I meet an aquarian. I used to have a friend-female friend as an child/teen/young adult who was and aquarian, and her ideals were not this way, but she did have a few really serious personal issues-abuse, and abandonment of a much more extreme nature-perhaps that is why. Hovere she was really the only aquarian I have ever had much personal interaction with, and certainly never any men yet. But there is always tomorrow-lol.

    Blakgoat….LOL, that is funny you mention those things….I had you pegged as one, and my best guess for age was 32….so I was not very far off that mark. But true to a capricorn male….boldly you assume much….with out asking anyhitng first.
    This is the part about you cap men I fail to understand. I don’t know if it is arrogance, overconfidence or what. I suppose it really does depend upon the individual. LibraLady asked me if had ever had a relationship with a cap guy before…..I would not call it a relationship, but-you do sort of remind me of him. As though…you wont shoot from the hip, because focus and aim are not you objective….just getting the shot off is what your most concerned with.
    He had goals, but it was as if he focus and drive toward each goal was….kind of half heartedly there, and as such if he achieved any portion of it, he was sucessful. Like he had to many irons in the fire to focus hard on any given one enough to exceed all expectations.
    And the thing was to him-he had achieved greatness. But that was not my opinion looking from the outside in, and he did not like my view at all. It was like a personal attack on his efforts or something. I always felt as though I could not be 100% open and honest with him-about him, or else I would make him question himself/his efforts and he just wasn’t going to go there. I do not like to handle people with kid gloves, so that never went anywhere.
    But damn he was great in the sack-no doubt there.

    So….if you share, I promise not to pick it apart or judge.
    Come on…..live a little.

  13. the countess says:

    @black goat – boy she got you pegged there. leave it to a scoropio to get to the root of the matter. lol. And i do agree, cappys come off (not necessarily are) as being a bit over confident or over estimating is how i would put it. I say this also because my rising sign is capricorn and many times in life i’ve overestimated my abilities to do something.

    Dont know how you boys are in bed though. I would think a bit rough since you guys are the goats which nature designed to be able to tread difficult terrains. That’s just a weird aqua assumption on my end tho. :)

    @rowdy raven – you know aquas are a bit funny, esepcially in terms of sexuality. Being a fixed sign, we’re either feast or faminine. We can go long periods in abstince or in blatant promiscuity. Scorps can do the same as well i understand. But an aqua will only come around when he or she has reason to. It wont just be without thought. You can convince us, and if we find your argument to be in good reason, we’ll do a complete 180 and jump right on in as if we never had a hesitation in the first place. But if the reason’s not there, or the reasons against it are greater, we stubbornly stay put. If your friend had something traumatizing that made her stay to one side of the fence, it’s not that this experimental tastes don’t reside in her, she just may not have found good reason to express and explore them yet. Ironically, for as independant as we are, I would bet to say it will probably be someone ELSE that convinces her to experiment with her sexuality. I say this because what changes our minds about things is new information that outmodes our previously held information. Whether that comes in the form of a therapist, or a mate or even a book, it’s most likely to come from outside of herself.

    And as far as scorps and aquas, like the cappys, it make take you a while to get that “connection” because its so hard to bring us from the clouds to your underworld, but your extremism bodes well with our out there points of view. And its a very interesting dynamic of you guys penetrating us to find out what we’re about and us analyzing you to figure out what the hell you’re doing! lol. But i think we both instinctly recognize another “watcher” even if we go about it differently. If you can be satisfied with having our heads and our bodies for a significant amount of time, you’ll eventually bring us down to you to have our souls too. it will just take some time. :)

  14. RowdyRaven says:

    Countess…..wow, now you really have me intruiged by aqaurians. Dang, that was very good info. I had not realized they can be this way. I have to agree with you, a convincing arguement-or new facts does seem to be the only real way to get thru to them.
    Sadly, I am certain I could not with stand even a remotely short period of “famine” in the bedroom. It is my sancutary, and an for me that is my “make it” or “break it” realm. My current Taurus guy once was being playfully teasing to me, when I was really down with the idea of gettin it on , and he was withholding his charms from me to tease me…..very bad idea. When it comes to matters of the bedroom=heart, I dont play-no humor there-its serious and totally intense, or I’m outta there for good. I got my way, but I will tell you later it caused a huge argument, as he felt like I was forcing him, and got to thinking that all I wanted him for was sex which was not true. Fortunately you can dangle that carrot in front of a taurus and they can not help them selves-they can not resist for long-lol.
    For me in that moment though it seemed like a rejection of me. I guess to me it was the equivalent of him telling me he love me and me saying-no….I dont want your love right now(as in real sincere deep from the heart kind)….you can keep it for the moment. For me it “is” the physical act that opens the door to anything else….with out it I am cold as ice and completely closed to any matter of the heart. He understands that now, as for him (taurus) it is this physical act that opens the door for him too….but beyond that he is still trying to figure the rest out-yet accepts it. And fortunately for me….he is as driven to the physical as I am-so this works really well ;-)
    He is a very agressive taurus, and this has been a saving grace for me-he never fails to dive right in….he wants me badly, and I need him badly and this works so well for both us I swear we are becoming addicted to this and everything that goes with it. Let me tell you-it makes it very easy to push any percieved limit in the bedroom- I swear one or both of us is gonna get hurt if dont be careful and rein it in a bit. Yet that is what seems to be driving us on forward…harder and faster headlong into that “underworld” we both have a real taste/thirst for now. Dark and deep….very strong and intense….we give “sexfest” a whole new meaning and simply pray for weekends when time stands still….and we have nothing to do but each other.
    Ok….I gotta stop thinking about this right now…it’s a weekday, and after the last two nights with no sleep we are not gonna make it to work tomorrow!
    Which reminds me….I have to go to work.

    I will say this…if an aquarian ever “hesitates” that would loose me forever, so I am not sure how well that would ever work out.

  15. the countess says:

    yes i could see the sensuality and yet the mutual fixity of the taurus boding quite well with a scorpio. i think fixed signs in general, in the bedroom department at least, go very well. its that sheer determination. that drive. And they do pack the aggression of a bull, which just says all sorts of things doesnt it? hehe.

    But alas yes, an aquas hesitation can be a problem for scorps. I’ve recently learned of this issue myself with my scorp, this since of rejection that seems to stem. My scorio and i got into a very bad fight about a month ago where he yelled in my face, amongst other things, that he was just using me for sex. He immediately recanted the following day, and the issue has been discussed with his prompting on a few different occasions to the point of reconciliation, but the first time he went to initiate sex, I hesitated (and said i needed to think about it, typical aqua..think think think) and pointed out why. He admitted immediately that he had brought this situation upon himself. But he then also rolled over and put a pillow over his head like a sad little boy. Even though he perfectly understood the reason why, i felt like i could psychicly sense him crying inside, “why don’t you want me?!?!”

    if there’s one thing i’m learning about scorpios is their sensitivity is very pronounced in the sexual realm.

    And other notes to this fact – the reason he yelled at me that he was using me for sex…is because he thought I was using HIM for sex.

    Sex is definitely of huge personal, mental, emotional, spiritual, whatver importance to a scorpio on many different complex levels. But for an aqua that like complexities, it’s HIGHLY gratifying to deal with. :)

  16. RowdyRaven says:

    Oh…Countess….sex and its physical approach is written into a scorpios DNA.
    And you can bet every dollar you’ve got, that you scorp man-he wasn’t just crying inside but a shear tomented pain that hurt him to the very core of his being.

    And here is something you need to know if you plan to keep him around….evertime a scorp gets hurt like this, it permanently…I do mean permanently chips off a pice of their heart forever-it can never be recovered. Like scar damage. If too many of these incidents occur, he will loose love for you and it will be over in his heart….he will turn to ice, and feel hollow and empty inside.
    This is something that with all of my failed ex’s I tried so hard…..so hard to explain to them upfront-that once they hurt me-there is no return, and if they keep it up, there will be nothing left for me to salvage-but they hold the key. Scorps feel deepest of all, yet we don’t want anyone to see that-we just want them to understand what could happen-so they could prevent it-make sense?

    But the good news is this….you are a thinker extrordinaire-that could be your saving grace with a scorp. Try this self strategy…..which I realize can be near impossible with a scorp-but give it a shot.
    Know up front that all action-including verbal response must be immediate. It must also be with appropriate passion and intensity. So if he gets dark and frisky wanting to say-throw your ass on the bed and take you-think wow-lets roll with this…and…think lets run full force with this now! You will make feel like a king, and endear him to you.
    Knowing and thinking about this before it happens will help you maybe not need to hesitate-because you have already thought it thru. Kinda like predictive modeling.
    Scorps analyze very well. And as I have discovered I am not unique in this, but I project well into the future….an event….what are all the possible outcomes. In this way I am uber prepared no matter what might happen.

    The advice is to think ahead and decide ahead so you will not need to hestitiate when the time comes. Hard-yes. Worthwhile-absolutely! Anything physical is a key to open a physcological door, so never take its power for granted-and always be serious about those efforts. It’s no joke to a scorp.

  17. Phenix/scorpio says:

    RowdyRaven- perhaps you can help. I hide my agressive dominant nature alot. And my scorpio woman i now senses this. I turned out to be her first and im one of those i haft to pass the limits but now i’ feel myself withdrawing. Im so ust to being in control even during sex i limit myself. Everytime i lose control i have a bad reaction to it. well everything goes wrong. So if anyone can handle this drive its a scorpio woman right. My problem lies in forgetting a bad experience and getting past that. Were both wanting it more then either will say it. Were both like its well its unbelieveable :D . but im trying to find a balance with sex and going out i dont want her to think thats all i want. niether is she. Shes sad because she thinks im not enjoying myself. What a guy can just focus on her. I mean i know alot of girls who would love that yet she. Nvm i lost my thoughts. So how do i go about relinquishing this tension without hurting her or being wrong on something. Our first time i do not regret but our second time kinda ruined it for me.

  18. RowdyRaven says:

    phenix……my first inclination is that she is young, meaning she was a virgin b4 she met you. If this is the case, and I am a FIRM beleiver that individual personality types, and whether one tends to be aggressive or passive makes all the difference in the world as to how they react to others.
    Your a scorp-use those analytical powers to see her….outside of your relationship for who and what she is unto herself. Understand her first-because she may not be sure of who she is…..or learned how to self analyze and self improve yet. That times time and learned experience. Some do have that talent of introspect-but not all.

    As for you….I suspect you are one of those….like me….you probably can not ever recall a time in your life where you were very much intouch with the “sexual” you….and as such had many years now to self discover and refine yourself. This aspect combined with an agressive type can be very difficult on us as well as our partners. Becasue we do hold back for fear of overwhelming them and scaring them off….or worse.
    I hate limits…really despise them. Having them reduces my pleasure…shearly by just having them!
    I want you to define or clarify siomething you said-I could interpret it to go several different way-and if its the wrong one-it wont help you at all. You said….”Everytime i lose control i have a bad reaction to it. well everything goes wrong.”….now please define your version of lossing control, then describe what the bad reation is, and finally tell me what is it that is going wrong-and with who-you or her or both simultaneously? Break it down for me so there is no misunderstanding and I will revisit it. But I think I know already what you mean…still I could be wrong.

    Look….when it comes to scorps….not a single one of us really wants to say what it is we want from the other….what we want…really want is for them to be intuitive enough….connected with us enough to feel it and respond to it. It kills us….and part of our intensity to our passion to have to actually say or hint any of this.
    Look most all scorp are highly intellectual…..think about this for yourself as well as others. One of the things start gets you inner motor running is inellectual banter is it not? That-”understanding” on an intellectutal level….it’s a kin of flirting. And when you have engaged one another in this prior to “the Act”-is the “act” not sooooo much more meaningful, intense, and connected? I think we need this badly….I think it is one form of foreplay to us. Can you woman engage with you like like? If so that is a big bonus for you both.

    We have many different levels…complicated levels to our sexuality which takes years of self exploration and discover to know who we are sexually….and how to open our own unique doors. And then as we age, we metamorphosize into our new more experienced sexual selves…..the phoenix rising from the ashes….sound familiar? You mentioned you are trying to find balance in sex and going out. Are you saying….there is a problem here (clarify that-it changes the metrics)…when you say going out…..do you mean with her or alone/with male friends? To eat or to clubs? Is it the particular social situation that creates a problem…if it is…then why/what? Or….are you being possessive?….wanting to stay in all the time with her, and yes, have sex. Big big differences here. Possessiveness is harsh on us and on them. I call it the scorpio cancer-as in disease-it can eat you up inside and every one you love outside of you, and the only cure is self torment-transforming into self control of it, which eventually dimishes the power possesiveness has over us. It is an internal battle that is almost the ultimate fight game!

    Sorry to get off on that tangent.

    One other thing-define your tension. That could mean a really lot of different things. Also tell me what both of your ages are please.

  19. LibraLady says:

    blakgoat
    so youre just a kid? baahhh….. I have 3 years on you LOL

  20. LibraLady says:

    RowdyRaven
    YEAH freaking limits are always in the way!!!!!

  21. RowdyRaven says:

    LibraLady….I know…..but I always say…..limites were made to be broken….oh gotta love the dark side aye?!

  22. the countess says:

    Yes i’ve noticed this tendency with water signs about how the damage never goes away. My pisces ex was much the same way. Any offense, any harsh word, it was burned into his heart and he could recall it at any moment and feel it exactly the same way he did when it first happened. But as opposed to scorpios who are tough and have the regenerating power to burn through, pisces just drown in it, chalking it up to one more thing that theyve been vitimized for.

    The thing that i’m worried about it is i seem to hurt him without even realizing 1.) what ive done and 2.) that he’s even hurt. Aquas unfortunately are very oblivious to alot of things and esepcially inadequate in sensing and interpeting emotions. I try to verbalize alot of this to him and have asked many times for him to try to meet me half way that i can’t always be a mind reader, that i can’t with confidence just yet read in beetween every line and know when he says this he really means that. but then other times when he says that its just means that. Ive expressed if he doesnt try to communicate with me in a language i can understand I can only do so much from my end. And i assure you, i’m trying very hard decode his every way and being, which FORTUNATELY aquas are mentally prepared to do this and with much tolerance.

    But I can’t, and i know because it’s been asked of me in non-emotional situations, guarantee that i can respond instantly to whatever is put in front of me. It’s instinctual to stop and think. Fortunately aquas are so adept at this, that this thought delay often happens in a nano-second and no one is any the wiser. But if its someting important, we cant do anything about it until we give it consideration. Like literally can’t. Not won’t. CAN’T. Fortunately when it comes to sex, i’m highly impetuous (another paradoxical aqua trait) and don’t often find the need to stop, slow down, whatever. Contemplate it during the act, after the act, in preparation for the next act, YES. But to premept the act, very rarely. Also fortunately, our sex life is what brought us together, a kinda warped out one night stand, strangers on a train kinda thing, and was ironically the foundation for this relationship. And we both hold it with mutual high regard. It’s like its “our thing”. Lol.

    “The advice is to think ahead and decide ahead so you will not need to hestitiate when the time comes.” – THIS jumped out at me as if you plucked it from my brain. Ever since I’ve met my scorpio, I’ ve had this “fear”, maybe anticipation or anxiety would be a better word, that I needed to decide if I could be with him for the long haul. If i could see every side of him, good and bad, if i could see the traits i adore now and envision them as the traits that may come to insight me (as often happens with time for strange reason, lol). If I could handle the flaws he has now magnetized by ten as they tend get when you’ve been together for a long time. I feel i have to weight everything out and consider from every angle so that WHEN THAT TIME COMES that he says, “ok, i love you. you love me. lets give this a go for real”, I don’t have to pause and say, “welllll, let me think about it.” Because I KNOW that ain’t gonna fly.

    Ironically enough, I have a feeling when i do get completely resolved on it, will be the moment he goes in to claim me for his. As much as i wish we could get to that level of love, when you’re just mad for each other and completely devoted, because ive had that before with someone else, I’ve finally realized…it’s me that’s not ready. And when i am, everything will be just right. That’s the best thing about a scorp-aquarius match, they’ve got the unbreakable willpower and sheer determination to create just the life they want, on their own unique terms and will defend and protect it at all costs.

    It may be an odd match and it may be a challenging one, but a reward like that is better to me than all the hearts and flowers in the world.

    Revolution and Power combined. NICE.

  23. the countess says:

    Limits? What are those? lol.

    Air signs don’t have limits. Air doesnt stop or start. It just goes and goes.

    :)

  24. blakgoat says:

    @countess and raven
    aaahhh you’ll are funny, really u are. its always humorous to me when women(especially the peircing scorpio) think they have every man figured out. i like ur vibe so ill leave ur ego intact.
    ill give it to scorpios, especially the women, ur very intuitive and manipulative. i dont have a problem with that, i sort of like it.
    i like to be in their company. i could watch them all day, the way they move walk talk and that “death stare”. might be a death stare for some but it brings me alive.
    anyways, i have a question………………
    everytime im around a scorpio woman i get this kinky “spritual” sexual vibe, …. more than a physical attraction.
    what’s up with that?, give me a lil’ insight.

  25. the countess says:

    @raven – this is all you girl. You’re the scorpio. I’m just the weird alien chick. lol.

    My two cents tho – scorps rule sex and sexuality. they also rule life and death. How much more spiritual or sexual could you get?

    And dont even make me go into the symbolisms of life and death in aspect to sex. You almost die ever time you have an orgasm and sex creates life. Kinda cant help sending off major vibes in those realms i would think.

  26. the countess says:

    Raven – back to previous conversation for moment. In regards to not being able to tolerate famine “in the bedroom”, dont forget that sex can also be expressed many ways that are not necessarily physical. Scorponic art, for example, seems to have a dark, subliminal sexual tone to it, even if its just in the brush stroke or the colors, rather than obvious images. I’ve known scorpios when they have abstained (usually due to some emotional trauma) to still just ooooozzzzeee sex but funnel it into a different forum.

    Aquas do the same thing. But we just think of brilliant things. In fact, sex makes us kind stupid, like our brains dont operate on all pistons when we’re constantly having naked time. Lol.

    But this can be a good thing. Even brains need to rest sometimes.

  27. blakgoat says:

    forgive me countess, im very ignorant when comes to air signs. they dont come off as deep to me. just intellectual.

  28. RowdyRaven says:

    Countess,
    I planned to respond but…..my soulmate friend…the scorpio from England called and damn-we just get so lost in our conversations. If it wasn’t so damned expensive-and the time zone differences-we would have been on the phone all night.
    Yes, well it was definate one of those very spiritual, karmatic , totally psychic calls……I had just been thinking of him and turns out he of me, so he couldn’t resist-he picked up the phone to call me. And both both had been thinking about the same things of each other. This is soooo weird a sit happens this way with us two all of the time like this.
    It is the kind of thing that reinforces to you that there are a lot more forces at work than just yourself, and it humbles you….and makes you feel really alive.
    Now….it gets even more weird.
    Turns out last night we both had the same dream about each other….with the same details in them….I had an emerald green halter top on and he a black tank top….both in Cozumel mexiao at a resort. Just all sorts of things that were the same. Yes there were also some differernces, but they varied by only minute details.
    Can you say Twilight Zone?
    We have had like dreams on same nights before-several times. But none ever this dead-on.
    It is very exciting….especially the sex parts! Bad girl. Veeeery bad girl.
    I need a cold shower. Not! I am having way too much fun with this.
    I want to say I dont know what to make of this…as he stated as well, except we both do know what to make of it. It is very dark, deep, intense, and mysterious…cause you can’t easily explain it. At least not logically.
    And that is the waaaay cool part.

    Ok enough of that….so I almost got lost in it again-lol.
    You are right, any of the art I do does exactly what you have mentioned!
    I liken it to being in touch with a differnt part of nature and how I relate to it. As an example….and Blakgoat-this may help explain some of what you asked-although certainly not all of it-but I’ll come back to that.

    I have horses, and love to ride….mostly bareback. And my horse….he love bareback riding better too. I can hear the sexual ovetones and cat calls in the background now! lol. there is a real purpose and reason for the preference to barback riding over saddled. That is full contact-creature to creature. My horse and I can “feel” everything about each other through this constant contact. Our breathing and its rythym-usually mostly in tandem for the difference in our heart rates. His every movement and mine. They mirror each other and compliment. If something may be startling to him, he gets his courage from me….how he feels “me” and my body language while on him…strong and unafraid yet alert. And when he feels really good- in a happy and bold way-I can feel that in him too. Don’t laugh too hard, but this is just how I taught him to dance to music. The rythym and beats, the harmony and melodies all invoke something in him. And together he can feel this same thing in me, and chooses to go with me and the music. It is the coolest feeling…and really amazing to watch-because he has impeccable timing! All of these things I describe remind me of one thing…..making love.
    It is a sense of “oneness” that I can not draw any other parallel to. No matter how hard we run thru the hills, or jump over streams or felled trees, swimming in lakes/ponds/creeks, even just walking thru an open plains area…or just standing around and grazing and resting afterwards….it is always the same together the experience of the journey is to be “shared” and felt as “one”.
    This is so enjoyable to me…and to him-for he never tires of it….we will begin these rides before the sun comes up….so we can enjoy sunrise together, and spend all day and evening well into night fall. Once I went back over aroute we took just to get an idea of how far we do go….it was 66 miles. I was floored…and again quite humbled. And while this connection we shared was as natural as can be, the human one is far far more complex and primal.

    Blakgoat-it is here in this last statement that I think the answer lies to your question. In a word, it is primal. I could add in things like pheronomes, the instinctual drive to procreate with a mate who is percieved as being the most likely to bear the strongest offspring and be capable of rearing them in safety, the human need to connect and not be alone. There are any number of things, but no one singularly seems to best describe it other than-primal. Not animalistic but much darker and deeper, far more intense and complex. A thing that is deeper that hell and more consuming that the hottest fire, as mysterious as the infinity that is outer space, and complex as strands of human dna. Almost impossible to put into words-yet its there…and we are aware of it and drawn to it.
    I will share this with you. The cap man I was with once before used to say something similar to me, how ever my take was thru our experience shared in the bedroom, and that is this….he had the curiosity, and bit of the taste to try something dark on….even the drive. But he lacked the courage of self….or the introspect to examine him self to learn…to know…if that was indeed a place he wanted to go. His greatest fear was, not can I go there, but how will he be percieved by me during that journey? What will a success look like? Self doubt was the chain that bound him. He never stopped wanting to go there, he made some honest attempts too, but in the end, he just never did.
    Now I am in no way saying you are the same as he was, but i am saying that sometimes you have to take the dark road to get to the light…and apparently you have sensed a guide who can take you down that path. I say roll with it.

  29. blakgoat says:

    i feel ya.

    to me sex should be the joining of two into one, as you say, that allows them to go one that journey, but to me that journey is one to become god-like.
    you feel everything, see everything, everywhere at all times, there is no end to you and there are no boundaries. you are the center of the universe and nothing else matters. no fear, just perfection.
    sounds like your cap man could have went there, but was a lil insecure and your taurean satisfied your sensuality, but couldnt elevate you off this earthly plane.

  30. LibraLady says:

    blakgoat
    OMG that is beautiful….Will be thinking about that tonight when the lights go out :)

  31. RowdyRaven says:

    Blakgoat….
    Yes sir….you are right on the money

  32. Phenix/scorpio says:

    Blackgoat- i Agree. I try to merge myself mind body and heart into one person and i nver have sec unless i think a girl can do this. Can withstand all i wantto give her. I dont want less. I want her beside me with me. I want her to be in sink. to care of every need to search every piece. I want her physiaclly to clain whats mine. I do this with a knowledge that shell never forget each touch each focus each subtitle touch soft or hard. In a teasing way a tourching way, I want her to forget that this world exist and that i am hers. She can mark her teratory and dig her nails in and she will bite. She wont be aware and might not think ill have this effect but se is mine. Sex is a weapon but mine is poised for control. THough i hate this with resemntment sometimes. Im so choosy with what i want. nothing less can be and often results in loliness.

  33. the countess says:

    @blackgoat – yes i agree. air signs are not “notoriously” deep but rather lend to the lofty intellctual realm in the clouds, which is the opposite of deep. However, when you meet an air sign that has been through the darkness, or dragged through it as the situation may be lol, you find a very unusual combination of someone that was able to survive DUE TO that intellectual detachment, someone that prolly speant many hours, weeks, year, contemplating it intellectually and is then able to have the deepness of the dark whilst also having the objective of the light from the clouds. Of course also heavily watered air signs (such as a water sign in their rising or moon or even lots of plantes in water signs) can also breed this combination.

    Raven – F@cking fantastic metaphor of the primal instinct of man! While I d believe we all possess this synchronisity, i do believe the scorps do it naturally, where as some of the rest of us have to learn to conjur it up and strenghten it with practice.

    And oh jeez, MORE psychic phenomenon going about! There’s alot of that going on lately! And yes its so eerie when you have the same dream. My pisces ex and i used to have that. From my logical aquarian point of view, I think it just shows how much info we’re all emitting that we don’t even realize and that when our intentions are strong, our output and reception is just as strong. I could go on for days about the quantum physics of this all (i am an aqua after all and this would just tickle me!) but for the short i’ll just say, thoughts become things. Choose them wisely!

    ..and naughtily if such is the case. hehe.

  34. RowdyRaven says:

    Countess…..

    You should look at phenix/scorps description to blakgoat…..you scorp feels this way with you too, and he said this waaaaay better than I could have ever done. In trying to explain to you this dire interconnection of physical/emotional/spiritual togetherness…..he hit on a part of it that pertains to what you described when you felt his silently crying out over it. That part I refer to is-the claiming of each other- and by god for scorps this is damned important. It’s a dance of the souls through our physical contact, emotional responses, and spiritual connection that must be executed with perfection. Anything less makes for a somewhat incomplete and less than satisfying experience. And our own (scorpios)perception of rejection.
    When I suggested to you to think before you get there-I did not mean pre-emptive actions, but because you think so clearly-so efficiently-these things will be serious food for thought for you in your own journey.

    While blakgoat did not (in my opinion)quite give you due credit for depth, I see it with a slightly different twist-that being this analogy….while your a highly evolved intellectual air sign, I do think your depth connection comes out of the sky like a tornado or a water spout-and how intense (and dark) is that! Because your are an air sign-your normal realm is way up high-but this does give your ?”phyche” the depth aspect-because you are reaching out way down to the ground/waters surface in this way. Too philosphical? Aye-it was an attempt I guess. Freud would have a field day with that one wouldn’t he?! lol

    Also ya nailed it girl!-if you project your desires-you just might get them….that is a very complex conversation for another day though ;-)

    Blakgoat….
    Dang dude….you got it right about the taurus guy and the cap guy both-which that cap guy was long time ago, but the taurus guy is right now recent…well up to yesterday that is, I had to cut him loose sadly. Lots of reasons why, but ultimately-he could only go so far in the bedroom….two out of three there was not bad….just incomplete. I did always feel the cap may have been capable of “going there”, perhaps some aspect of his dark side that he showed me? But I am not so so sure about the intensity part….but that was just a 6 month fling thing-so in all fairness I don’t think I gave him enough time to get to know “him” and what drove and motivated him to be honest. He tended to get very impatient with himself-no how weired is that? Is that a cap trait?

    phenix/scorp-you should scroll back up-I did respond to your request-perhaps you missed it?….or are not ready to go there? I must admit, I LOVE the way you described-that physcial aspect of marking each others territory and owning each other through this…that is an imperative isnt it. Being so lost in “the moment” is metaphysical to a degree-and something we thirst for. This is a part of what I tried to describe to blakgoat….that you have to take the dark path to reach the light. To achieve what you seek, is a dance of souls-like I described to countess. She may not be self aware enough of herself to go there with you yet. And patience is sooooo hard isnt it? But in the long run it is worth it-for together you can take a journey that is soul-stirring, and the gratification received from it-more powerful than an atomic bomb. Together you can go anywhere you like, and the knowledge gained from this experience-about yourself, your partner and your joined oneness is emense and can not be gained from any other aspect of our lifes. It is a precious gift to have been able to achieve this.

    Phenix/scorp-we have to come into our own….know ourselves and where we fit into this universe and what that means to us, before we can grow and join with another in a complicated dance like this. And you are right about something….and you are NOT alone in the way you feel about it…..when we have choosen our mate and are ready to share ourselves and the other is not yet-that is a very lonely….painfully lonely feeling.

  35. blakgoat says:

    @countess
    i see what ur saying. i have very little contact with air signs.
    as human beings i think we are capable of primal sex, but to some it’s an affirmation of existence. may be air signs reach that level through mental stimulation. for me primal sex is a neccessity to exist.
    im like doctor spock on star trekk i am cool on the outside, but inside there are “ancient” instincts raging that i have to keep in check. i know im a passionate warrior by nature, i conquer and overcome. if i didnt keep it in check. my life would spin out of control into a supernova of emotion. but im only human and i have to release this energy at some point. it’s through that dark primal sex im able to transform and transfer.

    its funny u mention in ur previous comments that having an orgasm is like dying.
    i think it’s more complicated than that.
    FALLING IN LOVE IS DYING……that use to be a very scary thing for me.

  36. blakgoat says:

    @raven
    i like how u said to get to the light you must go through the dark.
    i really feel that “darkness” is love, sex and magic.

  37. Phenix/scorpio says:

    RowdyRaven-raven perhaps i can shed som light into this matter. to start things out im a very oen scorio with her. I tell her what i want and i explain myself most of the time. I give because she is what i want to recieve and noone else. What i meant in the matters of control i was tuagt from an early age to be cold and turn off feelings and unleash them as pain and inflict pain. My upbringing was well im here. So iver the years ive become analytical about everything and not indulgent in things like sex drink instead i study them and use them and my mask is that which is so great that it seems its real. When i do indulge or bascally get for me its lik the wrah o something comesdown on me instead i take and give to others all they whish. I want somethingdeeper a deeper feeling and a drive that keeps me going long after others. Its an obsession wehn i let it all go. its ike the power can destroy or save someone. Thats what im trying to say i think. Every girl ive ever touvhed or been with has become like every other girl I have such control over tthem. Its not that witch is bothering me it is isolating at times but im thinking more of a different pattern. Alright my ind must form these words in a different way. What i mean is im obessivley wort ten even the average scorpio. mytouch is never in one place. Even if i dont have your mind. I can get it with a few subtitle touches. My scorpio girl has described it as fire. Even when im cntrolled witch i always am its fire. it excites her it seems t rise from me even though i hide it. Its like whereveri touch her turns her on My touch is everywhee in every place in every crevice i often whisper things like there isnt a part of you i wonttouch. I will have you. The mind things are all good and well. But everything about me seems to exude these things even i f i hide it i just had a convo with her strait out and she can tell im holding out on her. So i guess shes getting exploration and all that but i am withdrawn it makes her kinda sad. As for going out and stuff well im very sexual even when i m tame and under control. Like even she wanted to go at it for a day id stay in for a day and just be with her. As for agesim 19 and shes 17 my birday oct 26 hers nov 5.

  38. the countess says:

    @ RR – i think i get what your saying about the thinking bit. Actually maybe to better say it would be to not to think at all, maybe rely on pure “primal instinct” as its been refered to. That only in that raw connection can true perfection exists, the true vunerablility, the true relinquishment of personal power onto another…am I getting this right?

    i don’t know why by the climatic crescnedo in an opera comes to mind. Like Phantom or Faust…or the theme to the The Omen.

    See, air signs don’t “instinctively” or without thought normally go into this mode you guys speak of. But that doesn’t mean we can if not can do it vey well. i guess its just not our original modus operandi like it is with waters, specifically scorps. But i think once we know that it exists, we’ll methodically and experimentally serach for ways to get there. We can change the autopilot if we find good enough reason and a ha ha, LOGICAL way to go about doing it. Which will include, observing how you do it, observing how we think we should do it, noting which moments it feels like we’re doing it, observing which moments YOU look like you’re doing it. Then we whip into a formula and voila, we’ve literally just changed our own programming. kinda like changing the programming on computer. Maybe this is why we get compared to robots. lol.

    You know what’s another thing i’ve realized about you scorps is you dont just send information out psychically, you mind push to an extent. My scorpio is the only person ive ever met or i should say Since i met him, have i ever had thoughts that i KNEW were not my own. Because they were things i would never say! Lol. Like this scorponic trait of ownership and territory. I remember one time when i was drunk and not really thinking i turned to him and said “i want you to possess me.” As soon as the words were out of my mouth, i did like a startled look and was like what? where did that come from? I NEVER want to be posessed! I’m all about freedom! What the hell is going on here?! Its happen so many times since then i know its him that’s doing it, because it only comes up in thoughts that are relevant to HIM. But I think of all the air signs, only an aquaian would know to recongnize a thought that wasn’t their own. And we’re not bothered by it. Quite the opposite, we find it very fascinating to entertain foreign thoughts.

    As far as depth is concerned, mmm, i think air signs have the INTENSITY or POWER in their element that matches water. A pissed off air sign or a very busy air sign often looks like a tornado. And just like a tornado, we’ll suck all the air out of a room if we’re in that mode. But as opposed to water signs, where the energy is consitent like in rolling waves air signs seem to kinda burst with it, like lighting. Maybe what comes acorss at lack of depth is desire to want to look at things not from the inside, but from the outside. But both perspectives are mutually as important. Maybe this is a matter of semantics but just because something isn’t emotional doesn’t mean it isn’t deep.

    oh and blakgoat, i wasn’t being poetic. having an orgasm is actually only two differenct chemicals out of like 4 million, different than a heart attack. you LITERALLY almost die every time you have an orgasm.

    But that’s very beautiful, if not a bit morose, to think of love and cumming as like dying. :)

  39. RowdyRaven says:

    Wow….I am impressed…what complex and thoughtful responses…different, yet all intertwined. The human spirit is so amazing and should never be taken for granted.

    blakgoat….
    I am becoming more and more intruiged by caps….I love how you described they way you feel and think about this…
    Quote….”but im only human and i have to release this energy at some point. it’s through that dark primal sex im able to transform and transfer.”
    Quote…” really feel that “darkness” is love, sex and magic.”
    Dude-you really nailed this good here. And I am surprised by this, as it reveals a complex nature you have. I apologize to you, because I have taken you for granted. Funny thing…thinking back to the cap guy I once was with for a while, and it was a long time ago, but when I let myself go back there and remeber him….well lets just say I now realize I did the same thing with him then. Shame on me. Hindsight-I was being very selfish. I would like to say lesson learned, but…maybe not….maybe I should/will do some self examination of that one….maybe I still have that lesson to learn. Hhhmm…very interesting. Thank you for waking me up on that one.

    Countess….
    You got this one just flat out! In soooo many ways. You are really quite amazing you know, and you “reason” it all out so beautifully! I love your mind!
    Something you said….a realization you had….
    Quote…”You know what’s another thing i’ve realized about you scorps is you dont just send information out psychically, you mind push to an extent.”
    You could not be more right about this.
    This was just one of the weird things that happened to me and by male scorp friend here recently (the one that lives in England)….it was soooo weird and cool, and it was exactly like that. Also the taurus guy I had been seeing-he would both love and hate that about me….saying sometimes it made for the hottest of hot times, and then other times-these thoughts and such-were soooo dark, frighteningly dark, disturbingly dark because they drew him in-like he had no choice-which made him mad at himself-like someone was forcing him to do something that he did not necessarily want to do. And you can’t ever force a taurus like that.
    And the funny thing is that this is sooo timely-it relates precisely to what phenix/scorp is going thru right now. Speaking of…

    Phenix/scorp….
    Man oh man did countess hit this one in describing her scorp man. You should re-read what she said, and then think about this and yourself. While you and your girl are young…no offense intended there, just pointing out the obvious…you both have a lot of lifes lessons to learn…which relates to you yourselves.
    Scorps have this way of maturing that is complex. And to make matters worse we are constantly working toward new self transformation.
    I get you. really.
    But that is only because I have had a lot more years to live these experiences and learn many more of lifes lessons.
    The years you are going thru right now…and your girl too are the most difficult for any one, but can be mystifying for scorps. And it can be very different for female scorps than for males.
    No doubt she is trying to find out who she is, by even more so…how she will deal with her own power…and learing what that is and how best to use.
    If I had to bet…I say she was more passive an individual than you are.
    That interal “power” you spoke of….you are aware….and it no longer scares you, but you know the thrill you can get from weilding it porperly, and I get it. Seriously. You HAVE to be careful with it. And in being careful-it does leave you…more often than not….”wanting” more.
    You found someone who you sense…no…you “know” has the capabilites of going there with you….receiveing and giving back this power. Yet to what extent she can do the dance is what has you in turmoil.
    See yourself for who and what you are.
    See her for who and what she is right now…not for who she will eventually become.
    You can not be pushed into doing something you do not understand…neither can she.
    I don’t mean to say that it is your intent or even what you are doing, and I sense that she wants this too, but can’t find “herself” well enough yet to do the dance competently.
    And to keep making these attempts to rush headlong into it, simply will result in partial failure. Atleast it will until she does find herself.
    And you can not help her do that either. You know this already. And it is just killing you inside isn’t it?
    So you hold yourself back…and your power and all that goes with that.
    And it makes you miserable inside.
    Remember when I said…”And patience is sooooo hard isnt it?”.
    Well….isn’t it?
    Truth be told….that is what it really comes down to in its most simplest form.
    No doubt….it sucks.
    You can not teach her the steps to this dance. They must be acquired thru lifes lessons, experiences, and most importantly for a young scorp female-self awarensss.
    A young scorp female can be kind of like a sponge-absorbing everything around her…including the energy you give off to her. And that just makes you want her more…deeper….to own her, and her own you. But she is not yet ready. Even though she takes and tries to give back to you-what she takes is powerful…and she is trying to figure out what to do with that in herself. Until she does, all she can do is stumble along in the dance and try to mimic you steps-you know? How can she give back to you, what she does not yet know about her own self? Why do you think it is just killing her inside to “know” you are holding back? Basically for the same reason as you do….it feels like a form of rejection even though it is not. She wants…needs you to give your all to her, but she is unclear on what to do with that if/when you do. Its a double edged sword….damned if you…damned if you dont…for both of you.

    I will share this with you….once I was married to a passive scorp…which ultimately did not last. Why?…..I was ready to move foward like you are describing, and he was not yet there. And my impatience got the best of me.
    I was not as young as you/your girl are, but not that much older either-but now, I see that clearly if I could have slowed myself down-there may have been a different outcome. But that in and of its self creates an internal problem doesn’t it? If we slow down we feel stagnant-which feels toxic to us. And trying the trick ourselves with self distraction to acquire patient is not working is it?
    Patience is a key for us that is like a needle in a haystack-damned near impossible to find in matters like this.
    To this day-I still have a huge problem with patience in this area. I think that is why my relationships do not work. Me. I am to blame.

    The only thing that might help her, is experience…which unfortunately takes time. Perhaps you can take a journey with her….which can be difficult since we scorps love our privacy, but maybe try to help her focus on herself….learning new things….for the moment out side of the bedroom-her likes and dislikes so she can become more self aware. She is most likely very self absorbed in the connection you two share. That will take her to a dark place and she will become obsessed with it…it will prevent her from self discovery-and then she will never make any progress. It is a female self-trap.
    I would openly…honestly talk about this with her, so she does not perceive it as an invasion of privacy-because what we are talking about here is very very personal.
    FYI my B-day is Oct 25, and I have no proof of this, but I have a feeling that there is this birth plane on dates that makes us fall into a slightly different approach to our sexual selves. What is funny is that Nov 5th seems to start a diffent one than those prior to that. Don’t know why I pointed that out other than it does seem to make a difference somehow.
    Anyways-man dude-I really do get you on this. Been there, done that, still doing it.
    And I am a lot older than you. Just saying get used to self inflicted pain, and learn how to dissapate it, cause you are going to have to for the rest of your life anyways. This is a thought….if you could find another scorpio man-much older than you who’s b-day is close to yours, he may be able to help you understand yourself better, and may be able to give you some tips on how to deal with this in your self. Remember transformation is a part of your essence-but no body ever said it would be easy to do.

  40. the countess says:

    @ RR – why thank you so much. I’m finding more and more you scorpios do have a fascination, if not respect, for the complexities of the aquarian mind. Because like you guys, we are simply that, complex. But where as you enter this realm from the basement, we enter through a window in the attic. WE attain our complex natures in different ways but usually for the same reason; to completely understand something. It really is true i’m finding, that if this combination can learn to appreciate their differences, instead of rift stubbornly against them, as we are both fixed nature, they can accomplish quite a powerful duo.

    But onto phoenix/scorps story…I’ve been following it for a while, but it wasn’t until you disected it just now that i truely understood it, probably due to your experience have you been able to describe the process since you’ve come out the other side of it. It’s quite hard to tell what the moral of a story is if you have not reached its conclusion. So with that being said…

    @phoenix/scorp – I do believe Raven is intrinsinctly spot on with what she’s telling you. And I can say this not just from a scorpio level, but from a life experience level. We all to a certain extent have to learn to deal with our unique gifts and powers. Many people are oblivious to this and lead unevolved lives no matter what their age. And many people realize this at even juvenile ages, far younger than you or your GF, even if they don’t quite understand all the ins and outs of it yet.

    And while it is true, you cannot speed along anyone in their evolutionary journey, I do believe you can influence them. HOWEVER, and this may be what you struggle with, you have to be VERY AWARE that your influence isn’t biased or self serving because that’s never a good thing and karmically yucky. But you can influence people positively when you learn to detach from the outcome. It’s all in your motivation. If you say something to her to shed some light on a situation she may be going through, without caring if she understands what you’ve said the way you meant it or if she truely follows your advice, but say it soley just to help with out any benefit to you, she can take it and process it in her own unique way that will help her then and in the future.

    But this may be what YOU are learning to do at your scorponic evolution stage now, is how to influence, but not for your own needs. Because there is a fine line there. And like with most lines, sometimes you have to stumble back and forth before you really know where it stands.

    Now RR brings up a valid point of patience and slowing down. I feel your suffereing because aquas have a very hard time with it too. But I wonder if there isnt some sort of microcosm in the waiting. Some tiny often over looked minute details that if paid attention to could hold even more secrets of life, unlock more doors to ourselves and the world around us. Lets face it, your lot is obsessive. Maybe in the waiting time, take that obessesion and turn it into a fine tooth comb that rakes through these parts and just capture EVERY single essence of a situation. BEcause there’s ALWAYS more than meets the eye. You just have to find it. And you guys are good at that.

    Sorry if this is all a bit heady and abstract, but again…aqua – can’t help it much. :)

  41. blakgoat says:

    @raven
    ive enjoyed our conversation. scorpio women always make me feel comfortable enough to talk.
    see u around.

  42. Phenix/scorpio says:

    Raven talk to her but of course. I’m practicing patience its just really hard to know ive found that someone ive been earching for that person who can give me everything ive ever seeked. To be complete. And i do often ask her questions and listen and i give her ohnestly everything im feeling right up 8 percent of the time ill telle her exactly whats wrong and what im thinking. We also keep a journal together and when we cant say it to eachother we write it. How do i get her not self obsorbed and how do i help her along. Ill wait patiently beyond any of what people would think possible. I am very patient its juist hard to know what you need and want aare finally he same thing and not rush open arms to it. I am a bit possessive but not in a bad way. I often find myself tracing her face with my finger tips or kissing her hands or anything saying i gotta start somewhere and smiling. And when we talk of her i wonder if i should not be to ohnest. Often i cant help i its to hard not to instinctivley protect her. Even before we even started t o know eachother. I grabbed her in my arms and wouldnt let anyone touch her. I craddled her in my arms and when everyone quote trying to get her from me i kissed her on her forhead and told her itll be alright and turned and left. Now i often tell her to be wary she could easily end up with me fo life. I sometimes wonder if thats a good thing bt usually i can sense ndings with her i cant sense that at all. She said she had a drea about me last night and that i was in her family llater on in life and i was playing with her nieces and i knew where all te silver ware was and then i left the room and she told her mother what she thought about her and then i came back and saw she was upset thats all she said thoug i diddnt even mask my smile when she said the future. With her i am maybe to open. We’ll see.

  43. the countess says:

    ooohh a journal together ?!?!? WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!!!!!

    Scorpio/pheonix, i’m just letting you know ahead of time, i’m taking that and if i become famous for utilizing that concept somewhere somehow in the future, i promise to give you props for it.

    ;)

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